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Old 10-13-2017, 10:15 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...re-aca/521541/

So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die? If they are treated at a health care facility we pay through either a government reimbursement to the facility or through higher medical costs.
Do we take on the third work option of not allowing people to leave the hospital till their bill is paid?
I hear lots of stuff you don't like..be honest, what is your option? If it's just let them die, please have the guts to come right out and say it. Not my problem equals the same thing.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy
And here's the result...

We spend $554.5 billion on the 74.3 million enrolled in CHIP/Medicaid (that's 23% of the US population, BTW), alone (source: Kaiser Family Foundation). That averages to about $7,500/year, per enrollee. 48% of all US births are paid for by Medicaid, and those children are subsequently enrolled in CHIP/Medicaid. In fact, 43% of those enrolled in CHIP or Medicaid are under age 18. Only 9% of Medicaid enrollees are over age 65 (source: KFF). The recipients pay not one thin dime for it, unlike Medicare*, and all their medical treatment is free to them.

The freebie gravy train HAS to stop. It's sinking us. 70% of those born into poverty NEVER rise above it, not even as adults.

Mathematically, that's simply NOT sustainable. Period.

* (Which requires a minimum of 10 years of paid Medicare tax plus it charges premiums, deductibles, and copays, and not everything is covered)
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...re-aca/521541/

So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die? If they are treated at a health care facility we pay through either a government reimbursement to the facility or through higher medical costs.
Do we take on the third work option of not allowing people to leave the hospital till their bill is paid?
I hear lots of stuff you don't like..be honest, what is your option? If it's just let them die, please have the guts to come right out and say it. Not my problem equals the same thing.
What do we do about Health Care for the poor?

You don't appear to understand what Medicaid is. (hint) Free healthcare for the poor.

Medicaid in the United States is a social health care program for families and individuals with limited resources. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all ages whose income and resources are insufficient to pay for health care".Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with low income in the United States, providing free health insurance to 74 million low-income and disabled people (as of 2017).

Medicaid has been LAW since 1965 - although it is a voluntary program by States. Arizona was the last State to vote to participate in Medicaid.

Now take a deep breath and try not to remain Hysterical ..... I don't recall anyone "dying in the streets" ... except for the Leftist Urban centers like Chicago - now up to 549 Deaths in the streets in 2017.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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Those who should be taken care of are the ones who are too old to work, those who worked all their lives who are retired now but had paid taxes during their careers, and those who cannot work for physical/mental disorders. One qualification should be those who were born in America.

Able bodied people should get a job if they want to have healthcare. Those who just arrive into the US shouldn't be on the top of the list to get government assistance.

There are American born residents in America who have worked all their lives and paid taxes but are kicked to the curb when it comes to government assistance. That is completely wrong and should be a law against that.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The problem is we have too many taking from the current system and not enough putting in to it.
There is another issue that goes hand in hand with the Trump admin and that is illegal immigration. The state of California wants to be a sanctuary state for them but the numbers show that the illegals cost the state upwards to 30 billion per year. Imagine if that wasted money could be put back in to the system to help pay for healthcare.

My own Liberal state of Mass. admits to 1.3 Billion spent on people who are not even supposed to be here.

We have programs to help poor people but the thing is health insurance is expensive and the Gov. subsidies were already drying up regardless of anything Trump did.

We need to cut the waste which would be huge and get the costs under control.
Other developed countries have done it. Why can't we?
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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Back to emergency rooms and dumping the cost onto hospitals and the feds.

I am not adverse to having low income pay some of the cost of their healthcare. Most of us paid all of it before employer provided insurance. And, we could. Fifty years ago, DH was a student. We paid for 2 kids and all their medical bills until he graduated. That was while he was taking 21 hours a semester, making all As and working 2 part time jobs.

IMO, one of the reason it is so expensive is that people pay no attention to the cost if they have insurance or CHIP, etc.

But then, I'd do away with FEMA.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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Medicaid
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Those who should be taken care of are the ones who are too old to work, those who worked all their lives who are retired now but had paid taxes during their careers, and those who cannot work for physical/mental disorders. One qualification should be those who were born in America.

Able bodied people should get a job if they want to have healthcare. Those who just arrive into the US shouldn't be on the top of the list to get government assistance.

There are American born residents in America who have worked all their lives and paid taxes but are kicked to the curb when it comes to government assistance. That is completely wrong and should be a law against that.
The problem is that 48% of all US births are paid by Medicaid. And 43% of CHIP/Medicaid free health care for the poor enrollees are under age 18. Clearly they can't pay for their health care. And quite clearly, neither can their parents.

What started out as a humanitarian effort to ease hardship, has turned into a system that actually encourages and rewards irresponsibility. That is a completely unsustainable problem.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The problem is we have too many taking from the current system and not enough putting in to it.
There is another issue that goes hand in hand with the Trump admin and that is illegal immigration. The state of California wants to be a sanctuary state for them but the numbers show that the illegals cost the state upwards to 30 billion per year. Imagine if that wasted money could be put back in to the system to help pay for healthcare.

My own Liberal state of Mass. admits to 1.3 Billion spent on people who are not even supposed to be here.
Exactly.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Athol, Idaho
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The idea that people just give up and die if they don't have insurance isn't true. It makes it a longer harder tougher road, but knowing other people that have survived cancer as I have, those with and those without insurance, rather than die, they just become poor. Insurance is there to save people wallets more than their life. There is darn good reason to have it, but I don't know one among them that just decided it was time to die. It was life altering financially, but if there was a way to survive they found it. Why don't we look realistically at what health insurance is? If you don't want to be poor, don't want to drain your families financial resources, want to have a good retirement, then find a way to get it.
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