It's insane that civilians can buy assault rifles (racist, percent, television)
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Next time it could be YOU or YOUR family hit by these killing-machine weapons of war. Next one is coming. I minimize my danger by avoiding all gatherings or crowds as much as possible. I'm thinking now that retail stores and such often have a lot of people in them...also restaurants. Maybe I could go in those mostly in the "off" hours, when fewer people are there. I know one WalMart in a wealthy suburban area where the people opposed its arrival...sometimes I've gone in there and there's hardly any customers. Good customer service too! People say, if you stay away, they win...no, they win when they get to mow you down, dozens or hundreds of innocent victims a minute! Now, THAT is when they win! We are a very violent society, and it's definitely getting worse with these assault-style weapons being given to any crazy nut that wants his 15 minutes of fame and to experience a violent video game-like fun time, with real men, women and children to target and mow down!
Please provide examples and evidence that the founders explicitly wanted INDIVIDUALS to be armed. If that was their intent, they would have carefully worded it as such. All references to being armed were in the context of a disciplined and organized militia. Not random private ownership. This is a passage from the Federalist Papers written by Alexander Hamilton in 1788
Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year
Federalist 29
The intent was not for people to just own guns for the sake of it but for militias to be formed and trained. Essentially what they wanted initially was citizen army composed by state probably similar to what countries like Israel and Switzerland have. There is not one example I know of that explicitly calls out for private ownership of arms. It only pertains to the people having access to arms in order to form "disciplined militias".
"Please provide examples and evidence that the founders explicitly wanted INDIVIDUALS to be armed"
The EXACT QUOTES from the founders have been posted over an over.
""If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"were in the context of a disciplined and organized militia."
""I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
""If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"were in the context of a disciplined and organized militia."
""I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
Next time it could be YOU or YOUR family hit by these killing-machine weapons of war. Next one is coming. I minimize my danger by avoiding all gatherings or crowds as much as possible. I'm thinking now that retail stores and such often have a lot of people in them...also restaurants. Maybe I could go in those mostly in the "off" hours, when fewer people are there. I know one WalMart in a wealthy suburban area where the people opposed its arrival...sometimes I've gone in there and there's hardly any customers. Good customer service too! People say, if you stay away, they win...no, they win when they get to mow you down, dozens or hundreds of innocent victims a minute! Now, THAT is when they win! We are a very violent society, and it's definitely getting worse with these assault-style weapons being given to any crazy nut that wants his 15 minutes of fame and to experience a violent video game-like fun time, with real men, women and children to target and mow down!
Then it is my time to go, and I know I will soon be seeing that ***** on the other side and it will be time to make sure he is in hell.
Want more? look them up yourself, I'm not here to be your research mule.
Tell ya what......since you're the one who's asserting that they did NOT mean individual citizens........
How about you posting up some historical accounts of the Federal Government enforcing your take on the meaning of the 2nd amendment by confiscating arms from the general public?
Shouldn't be that hard to do, since according to you it was important enough to make it clear that ONLY the military should have the right to bear arms that they listed it 2nd in the Bill of Rights behind only the right to freedom of speech.
I mean, if they REALLY felt that strong about it, there MUST be some sort of historical record about them actually ENFORCING it.......right?
Next time it could be YOU or YOUR family hit by these killing-machine weapons of war. Next one is coming. I minimize my danger by avoiding all gatherings or crowds as much as possible. I'm thinking now that retail stores and such often have a lot of people in them...also restaurants. Maybe I could go in those mostly in the "off" hours, when fewer people are there. I know one WalMart in a wealthy suburban area where the people opposed its arrival...sometimes I've gone in there and there's hardly any customers. Good customer service too! People say, if you stay away, they win...no, they win when they get to mow you down, dozens or hundreds of innocent victims a minute! Now, THAT is when they win! We are a very violent society, and it's definitely getting worse with these assault-style weapons being given to any crazy nut that wants his 15 minutes of fame and to experience a violent video game-like fun time, with real men, women and children to target and mow down!
Since I can protect myself if necessary. I don't worry about crowds. If you are that afraid, they already won.
""If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"were in the context of a disciplined and organized militia."
""I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
Your source of quotations is trash if I am going to be honest. If you wanna quote from the founding fathers taking your information from pro-gun NRA websites is hardly the most accurate and balanced source. Particularly since they have been caught posting fake quotes all the time. Even the NRA itself has used made up quotes and what isn't made up is often misquotes or wrongly quoted.
The 2nd quote on the linked page was this one.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
Interestingly that phrase was only written as a draft and was never included in the Virginia's Declaration of Rights. What was written was this:
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
Virginia's Declaration of Rights (1776) Article XIII
There is no indention or specification of having an INDIVIDUALLY armed society. The intention was to allow the people to form a "disciplined and well-regulated" form of self defense.
Next time it could be YOU or YOUR family hit by these killing-machine weapons of war.
Weapons used in war are different, mainly they are fully automatic machine guns. The AR15 you buy at Walmart is a hunting sporting rifle shoots one bullet for one trigger pull.
Oh my. Seriously?! These clowns will literally try anything. I've heard and seen some real whoppers when these politcians, anti gun groups and media types start using their imaginations whenever they hear a firearms technical (or not so techy) term but this is really entertaining. They already have so many gullible people believing that rifles like the AR have some sort of feature that infuses ammunition put into it with plasma energy that can burn through the armor on an M1 tank.
Muzzle breaks are "combat" devices that "make it easier to spray from the hip and never miss", the rfle is designed to use "tumbling" bullets that tear bodies to shreds, "exploding" bullets are available at every gun store that can blow bowling ball sized hole through people, and bayonet lugs.... Well they can accept all manner of "combat assault" devices, and now we see a horrific example of such a device.
Once, just once I would so like to see someone expose this willful fantasy stuff and cram it down these idiots throats on live TV. But they always seem to get away with spreading this nonsense around. Sheesh, it gets deeper every second.
do oyu pee your pants every time you see a scary black rifle? just because someone owns an AR15 doesnt mean they are going to go on a killing spree.
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. Well they can accept all manner of "combat assault" devices, and now we see a horrific example of such a device. 
