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Old 11-23-2017, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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I have never ever ever seen minimum wage workers bargain collectively. Have you?
Every Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. The housekeeping staff is a minimum wage job virtually every where. But on the Strip it pays much better. That is because the workers are either in a bargaining unit or are being paid a comparable wage to keep the bargaining unit out. Get good health insurance as well.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:38 AM
 
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Those who earned their money don’t deserve to eat. Those who produce nothing deserve to be fed.
Except no one said that or anything close to it.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:39 AM
 
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LOL! I love it!
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:40 AM
 
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Where’s the fallacy?
You are twisting what is being said, making things up and then "disputing" them and acting as if you've "won."

That's the fallacy. That's the strawman argument.
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Old 11-24-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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Except no one said that or anything close to it.
“Why SHOULDN'T wealthy people have better school districts?”

Now you deny even what you people said!!!
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Old 11-24-2017, 06:19 AM
 
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You are twisting what is being said, making things up and then "disputing" them and acting as if you've "won."

That's the fallacy. That's the strawman argument.
Where’s the twist? Are you not forcing others to raise your children?
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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Those who earned their money don’t deserve to eat. Those who produce nothing deserve to be fed.
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Except no one said that or anything close to it.
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“Why SHOULDN'T wealthy people have better school districts?”

Now you deny even what you people said!!!
Whoa.

WHAT?

How does the thread title in any way shape or form say "hose who earned their money don’t deserve to eat. Those who produce nothing deserve to be fed."?

My god.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:38 AM
 
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A rising tide lifts all boats. I should be amazed that some CD posters think just because they have money and pay more taxes entitles them to better stuff. Schools should be like toll roads.

The thing this thread conveys to me is that there are as many ways to pay for public education as there are states. And that the soft bigotry of low expectation also comes from teachers.

If I were running a school district, I'd get really good pre school teachers and start school at age 3. I would also institute the program started in Missouri 25 years ago, Parents as Teachers. If the problem is lack of parental involvement, fix that. It might take 2 generations, but in the long haul we will all be better for it.

IMO, there have always been some unfit parents. The education establishment has been successful in blaming their failure to educate their kids on bad parenting. It is not impossible to teach children whose parents are not involved. The first thing to teach is how to behave at school.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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If I were running a school district, I'd get really good pre school teachers and start school at age 3. I would also institute the program started in Missouri 25 years ago, Parents as Teachers. If the problem is lack of parental involvement, fix that. It might take 2 generations, but in the long haul we will all be better for it.
I agree 100% and I think we should provide free or reasonably priced after school care for kids with working parents. It's much better than having latch key kids and a well run after school program could include mentoring and tutoring assistance.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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I agree 100% and I think we should provide free or reasonably priced after school care for kids with working parents. It's much better than having latch key kids and a well run after school program could include mentoring and tutoring assistance.
DH was involved in a low income rental project years ago. The company bought the utilities and did the billing at current rates. That 15% spread paid for on site after school care, computers and job training. They got the education department at the local college to provide volunteer tutors every day.

There are ways to solve problems but one needs to be willing and creative.
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