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Old 11-12-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Nope.

Have no aspirations of becoming rich.

Why? Because I know how much time, risk, hard work and dedication that it would take.

And I'm not comfortable investing that much into my work life as opposed to my family life. It's a personal decision that I'm good with.

But I don't expect the rich to subsidize my lifestyle because I'm not willing to take the risks and time to become rich myself.

I keep what I make....you keep what you make......the rich keep what they make.

I'm OK with that......


Why aren't you?
great post, most people don't have the ambition or smarts to do what it takes to become rich, nothing wrong with that
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Old 11-12-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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What about all of the money they hide overseas to avoid paying taxes on it? How is that trickle down?
95% of all companies have less than fifty employees, most companies owners are not running their money overseas. The more money my boss makes the more money i make, in overtime, vacation, medical paid for, 401.

90% of all companies are not as bad as you claim, they are not evil. they are just trying to get by. Most company want to hire extra people. Its not getting by with 100 people. They want to hire 110, 120 people.

Since Mr T been in office my company has hired 37 people. That 37 people that did not have an income, did not have medical paid for.

Capitalism is not has bad as you claim, instead of a socialism system. Now with the tax laws, why not everybody just pay 15%, no matter how much they make. I guess your socialism buddies would really be screaming then.

Look, you just cant get **** for free, time to have personnel responsibility
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It doesn't make any sense. These Republicans would defend the rich keeping their money to themselves, ill-gotten or not, and leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. The rich live in this society, too, and they don't need any coddling at all, especially not from people that make 1/100th of what they make. US society is very unusual in the way that they think rich people have it really bad a lot of times as welll, these Republicans think the rich will look out for the, just because they own a 5 employee business

In before communist, socialist, how much should we "steal" from the rich, etc. this isn't a tax policy topic.
Psychologically, most conservatives lean authoritarian. I think many of them equate wealth with power and authority so give them more intellectual and moral weight than they deserve. They think that the 'trickle down' theory works and they will, in fact, also become wealthy, despite the fact that it never has worked out that way. How they came by their money is irrelevant to them.

It is ironic, though, that they will complain about 'Wall Street fat cats' and sleazy scumbags, but bend over for them anyhow.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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great post, most people don't have the ambition or smarts to do what it takes to become rich, nothing wrong with that
If you have the ambition, then the smarts....or anything else for that matter, becomes less important.

I'm at the point professionally speaking that the only way for me to really keep moving forward in any meaningful way would be to start my own business in my field.....there really is no other "next rung on the ladder" for me.

But doing that would be an enormous risk financially.
I'd have to cash in savings and retirement and literally "put it all on black".

Also, running that business would take an incredible amount of my time and energy.

Time and energy that at this point in my life I would rather spend with my family.

But I don't begrudge anyone who is willing to take those risks.....

That's how wealth is generated........and I have no envy towards them for having the ambition to do so.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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You really believe this? Median home prices in LA , NYC , San Francisco, DC, and Seatle are at least 500,000

In Chicago you can't find a single family home on the north side for less than $400,000 unless it's a rehab. You'd have to go northwest, west, or south. You should know this, you're from Chicago.
It's not a matter of belief.

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-e...n-every-state/

The average mortgage debt in 2016 was $196,014.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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I recently discussed this with my buddy who used to live in rural areas full of conservatives.

According to him Republican support among the non-rich mostly boils down to distrust and aversion. Distrust and aversion of what? Of anything and anyone that is not of White Christian culture.

For a while Republicans successfully used religion to exploit that distrust but religion has been losing ground. This time around they had to bring the racial grievances into this to keep milking that aversion and distrust cow.

Thankfully, demographics are changing rapidly. I think we really shall see Texas go blue in the next decade, as well as Florida and Arizona. That will be the end of GOP. I really doubt they can dig themselves out of the White Nationalist hole that Trump and Bannon dug.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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I recently discussed this with my buddy who used to live in rural areas full of conservatives.

According to him Republican support among the non-rich mostly boils down to distrust and aversion. Distrust and aversion of what? Of anything and anyone that is not of White Christian culture.

For a while Republicans successfully used religion to exploit that distrust but religion has been losing ground. This time around they had to bring the racial grievances into this to keep milking that aversion and distrust cow.

Thankfully, demographics are changing rapidly. I think we really shall see Texas go blue in the next decade, as well as Florida and Arizona. That will be the end of GOP. I really doubt they can dig themselves out of the White Nationalist hole that Trump and Bannon dug.
Yawn. More "white nationalist" pap from the left. More blacks, latins, and Asians voted for Trump than voted for Romney. So please just stahhhp with the propaganda. Actually, keep it up--it will ensure continued (D) losses in the future.
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Many think that they will be rich in the near future, despite the fact that they have no concrete plans or prospects.
It's the subject of the book "What's The Matter With Kansas?"

The Republican poor don't see themselves for who they truly are, but think of themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. It's Marx's false consciousness
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Yawn. More "white nationalist" pap from the left. More blacks, latins, and Asians voted for Trump than voted for Romney. So please just stahhhp with the propaganda. Actually, keep it up--it will ensure continued (D) losses in the future.
Well, you can spend this Sunday trying to find the counties that voted for Trump *and* are not majority White and/or in large metro areas:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

I think "White Nationalism" might indeed be overblown but the non-White electorate sure doesn't see it that way. That's all that matters in elections and that's why I think GOP is going to sink bigly, like you've never seen before
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Old 11-12-2017, 09:07 AM
 
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Well, you can spend this Sunday trying to find the counties that voted for Trump *and* are not majority White and/or in large metro areas:

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

I think "White Nationalism" might indeed be overblown but the non-White electorate sure doesn't see it that way. That's all that matters in elections and that's why I think GOP is going to sink bigly, like you've never seen before
Sure -- we heard all of this nonsense about demographics before you guys got your clocks cleaned in November.
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