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Old 02-15-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bully View Post
No God given(natural) rights then? Rights of circumstance only? I say a society that cannot handle the rights it has inherited is not adequate to the task of deciding which rights it shall secure for its children.
Right to bear arms is a man-made right, and as such is subject to re-evaluation. And to continue to hang onto a Constitution written centuries ago in a different world without letting current events dictate the need to amending/updating is either naive or stubborn.

I get freedom and rights, but it is not an absolute.

 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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An AR-15 is an assault rifle and it only costs $500 - $2500
Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Right to bear arms is a man-made right, and as such is subject to re-evaluation. And to continue to hang onto a Constitution written centuries ago in a different world without letting current events dictate the need to amending/updating is either naive or stubborn.

I get freedom and rights, but it is not an absolute.
If freedom and rights are not absolute... then you have a real problem....
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
What is the difference between an AR-15 and a handgun? The way it looks...
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Probably harder to get a firearm today. Many states have licensing programs and FBI background checks prior to purchase.
I dunno. I think, regardless of regulations, gun distribution is definitely wider today than 50 years ago.
I can walk down the street to a local pawn shop and get one right now.
50 years ago.... Actually... Maybe not....
America is weird.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The so-called "gun control" advocates have spent the last several decades proving (inadvertently) that their half measures do not work. "Assault weapons" bans, waiting periods, "gun free" zones, background checks, and all the rest rarely reduce the crime rate, and often result in an increase instead. And yet they keep coming back and saying we need "just a little more" of their "reasonable restrictions".

When they point to countries whose results they like, they invariably point to places like England, Japan, Australia, etc. - countries that have almost completely banned guns from their subjects.

Take the hint.

In fact, complete bans of all guns are the only things that have ever reduced "gun crimes". And they must be accompanied by ruthless confiscation. Advocates who say they want "just some reasonable regulations", know by now they won't work. The only thing they could now be intending, is an eventual complete ban on all guns. While pretending they will do only just a little, to fool you into going along with "just a little". And then next year, just a little more.

Their total gun bans must be accompanied by SWAT teams going door to door to every house and apartment in America, taking people's guns whether they want to give them up or not. They know that many people will object to giving up their guns voluntarily... but a gun ban won't work unless everybody turns in their guns.

Advocates who say they want a few "reasonable regulations", are either astonishingly ignorant of the results of their own policies, or are lying to you.
I completely agree, I would like to ask those on here to point out in the enumerated powers of the Constitution to where the federal government has the right to enact any fire arm laws. These are State issues and should be addressed by the States.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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And yet, and yet, in countries where it's harder to get a gun, these things rarely happen. In this country, we are awash in them with practically free-reign. No questions asked, even for an AR-15.
And yet, and yet in this country when it was easy peasy to get a gun these things rarely happened.
I was in high school from 1974 to 1978. At that time anyone could buy a gun at the flea market along with the ammo. You could buy them at nearly any retail store or hardware store. No background checks, no waiting period. It was a common site to see guns on gun racks in trucks in the parking lot of the school. Even see some gun trading going on during lunch period. So why did we not have school shootings then?
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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What is wrong with Trump? What is wrong with Republicans in Congress? A law that makes it easier for the mentally ill to buy guns? What kind of idiot would vote for that? The day will come when there will be blood on the hands of Trump and Congress for voting for this nonsensical bill.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...mental-illness
That bill rolled back a piece of abject tyranny that removed a natural individual right without due process.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I completely agree, I would like to ask those on here to point out in the enumerated powers of the Constitution to where the federal government has the right to enact any fire arm laws. These are State issues and should be addressed by the States.
The RIGHT to keep, and bear arms is not a State's rights issue. It is a Natural Right we possess as humans. The states all agreed to abide by the Constitution when they became states, and that includes the Second Amendment. Any restrictions states, and cities put on firearms is illegal, and UnConstitutional. The fact that activist courts uphold them is plain WRONG.

Government in the U.S. does not grant us rights.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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That bill rolled back a piece of abject tyranny that removed a natural individual right without due process.
Agreed, but some people just don't care about little things like tyranny.
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