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Old 02-15-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
I don't understand how the media has not identified the parents or the owner of the guns... Usually it's known in the first couple of days...
The parents are dead. Cruz owned the gun--bought legally.

Nikolas Cruz: Troubled suspect had been expelled from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School - Sun Sentinel

 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
If you can't afford to pay for the societal cost of gun ownership, then you don't deserve to own a gun. If you can't prioritize paying your monthly insurance bill on your arsenal, then maybe you should downsize? If you believe that a gun is so essential to protecting your home and family, then you should be able to scrape together the monthly premium.
Firearm ownership is a constitutionally protected right. Forcing insurance would be financially prohibitive for low income citizens............. you know, like forcing people to get voter I.D.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Troyfan View Post
I'm sick of these posers appearing as 2nd amendment defenders. They share the same moral ground inhabited by pornographers when they appeal to the 1st amendment. Neither are defenders of anything except their own disgusting selves.

Even worse and stupider, posing as defenders of Natural Rights teaching in which guns are not mentioned at all. The Natural Rights are the right to life, liberty and property. Period.

Everyone who hides behind the 2nd amendment when these shootings occur is as guilty of them as the shooters themselves. They are child murderers as much as the shooters are.

The children's blood is on their hands.
Bravo.
Almost 20 years since Columbine and....
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The so-called "gun control" advocates have spent the last several decades proving (inadvertently) that their half measures do not work. "Assault weapons" bans, waiting periods, "gun free" zones, background checks, and all the rest rarely reduce the crime rate, and often result in an increase instead. And yet they keep coming back and saying we need "just a little more" of their "reasonable restrictions".
When they point to countries whose results they like, they invariably point to places like England, Japan, Australia, etc. - countries that have almost completely banned guns from their subjects.

Take the hint.

In fact, complete bans of all guns are the only things that have ever reduced "gun crimes". And they must be accompanied by ruthless confiscation.

Advocates who say they want "just some reasonable regulations", know by now they won't work. The only thing they could now be intending, is an eventual complete ban on all guns. While pretending they will do only just a little, to fool you into going along with "just a little". And then next year, just a little more.

Their total gun bans must be accompanied by SWAT teams going door to door to every house and apartment in America, taking people's guns whether they want to give them up or not. They know that many people will object to giving up their guns voluntarily... but a gun ban won't work unless everybody turns in their guns.

Advocates who say they want a few "reasonable regulations", are either astonishingly ignorant of the results of their own policies, or are lying to you.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
The so-called "assault weapons ban" of 1994 was a poorly written worthless piece of legislation. It was a feel-good law intended to drum up votes, for further restrictions. It only banned rifles based on looks. It had nothing to with functions. And statistics show that it accomplished absolutely nothing. The only good gun legislation in the last 50 years is the background check and it was proposed by the NRA. And the government won't prosecute violaters of that law.
But they keep trying to pass more worthless laws.
Very true, companies changed their production line and nothing really changed. Many point to the assault weapons ban as a failure but in reality it was weak legislation we need something stronger to keep guns like this out of peoples hands.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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Originally Posted by what'd i miss View Post
AR 15 is a mass murder weapon.

In Indiana, VP Pence made sure to pass legislation to allow guns to be concealed in vehicles on school campuses. I think he got paid, like, 3 million $$$ from NRA for that move.

Vote Republicans the hell out of every office in the land.
They support batterers and murderers.
We banned these so called Assault weapons for 10 years. it did absolutely nothing.


These guns aren't the issue. Vulnerability and a refusal to deal with mental illness is.


we tried banning assault weapons. that didn't work
how about we focus on vulnerability and mental health and see what happens?
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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Not teaching kids how to deal with anger is part of the problem with the younger adults that do this. They have no tools to cope with adverse things that happen in their lives. Plus no respect for human life.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Troyfan View Post
I'm sick of these posers appearing as 2nd amendment defenders. They share the same moral ground inhabited by pornographers when they appeal to the 1st amendment. Neither are defenders of anything except their own disgusting selves.

Even worse and stupider, posing as defenders of Natural Rights teaching in which guns are not mentioned at all. The Natural Rights are the right to life, liberty and property. Period.

Everyone who hides behind the 2nd amendment when these shootings occur is as guilty of them as the shooters themselves. They are child murderers as much as the shooters are.

The children's blood is on their hands.
You read as if you are losing your grip on your own rationality.
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by what'd i miss View Post
AR 15 is a mass murder weapon.

In Indiana, VP Pence made sure to pass legislation to allow guns to be concealed in vehicles on school campuses. I think he got paid, like, 3 million $$$ from NRA for that move.

Vote Republicans the hell out of every office in the land.
They support batterers and murderers.
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Originally Posted by Floorist View Post
The AR 15 is no different, other than looks, from most other hunting rifles. Most of the others have been around for many years. There is no difference in function.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1 View Post
Your statements are untrue, and idiotic.
To those of us who are not gun enthusiasts or have one, I think we simply view anything more than a single trigger finger handgun as a "mass murder weapon" just because it can fire off more rounds than a handgun, for right wrong or indifferent.

Last edited by metalmancpa; 02-15-2018 at 11:01 AM..
 
Old 02-15-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: SC
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
I don't understand how the media has not identified the parents or the owner of the guns... Usually it's known in the first couple of days...
I think it is probably because the shooter is both; alive, and an adult.
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