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Old 11-14-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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That’s where your misunderstanding is. The Right only sees that under the Leftist system where the poor is economically propped up by free social programs.
Its no misunderstanding. I see the sentiment both here and on my social media feeds every day.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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That’s not even close to being what it is. The Leftists wants the rich to give most of their bread that to the poor, while the poor do nothing.
They could give up one entire warehouse full and still have more than they could ever possibly eat. Instead, those in the middle and lower classes are being told they have to give back some of what they have because five warehouses full isn't enough for those few at the top anymore. They want six warehouses full now.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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Straw man argument when the vast amount of the wealth is concentrated at the top. What you're really asking is, are you willing to give one of your three slices of bread to the poor, while you ask nothing from the guy sitting on a five warehouses filled with bread.
Straw man vs straw man. The rich pay the majority of taxes.

99% of people are working for someone and making money for them. Even CEOs, VPs, wall street traders, there's very few people in the world that see the buck stop with them. If you don't want to help someone else make money then start your own business, you're still tied the economics of the world.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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Straw man vs straw man. The rich pay the majority of taxes.

99% of people are working for someone and making money for them. Even CEOs, VPs, wall street traders, there's very few people in the world that see the buck stop with them. If you don't want to help someone else make money then start your own business, you're still tied the economics of the world.
It’s not possible for just anyone to start a business. One needs a lot of startup capital.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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If we could ever see the true value of what each side provides, we'd be so much better off. You can't have business without labor and you can't have labor without business.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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They could give up one entire warehouse full and still have more than they could ever possibly eat. Instead, those in the middle and lower classes are being told they have to give back some of what they have because five warehouses full isn't enough for those few at the top anymore. They want six warehouses full now.
Why should anyone give up anything? What’s wrong with the poor working for their bread?

Your logic of contantly asking for 1/5 of the warehouses for free fails because, what’s the point of building, financing, buying supplies, employing workers, etc. to fill those warehouses when (under your system), one can just not do anything and still get free bread?
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:40 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Its no misunderstanding. I see the sentiment both here and on my social media feeds every day.
It is a misunderstanding. Fact that you don’t see it shows that you still don’t understand.

Let me try to explain it again. Under the current system where there is social welfare and tax beaks for being poor, in other words, the poor gets free stuff, then obviously the Right will see that they are leeches. But under the system where no one gets freebies, then the Right won’t see anyone as leeches.

Do you see it?
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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It is a misunderstanding. Fact that you don’t see it shows that you still don’t understand.

Let me try to explain it again. Under the current system where there is social welfare and tax beaks for being poor, in other words, the poor gets free stuff, then obviously the Right will see that they are leeches. But under the system where no one gets freebies, then the Right won’t see anyone as leeches.

Do you see it?
The fact that you think my disagreement with you lies in ignorance tells me this thread is a waste of my time.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Why should anyone give up anything? What’s wrong with the poor working for their bread?

Your logic of contantly asking for 1/5 of the warehouses for free fails because, what’s the point of building, financing, buying supplies, employing workers, etc. to fill those warehouses when (under your system), one can just not do anything and still get free bread?
What part of taking bread from the middle classes, who have already done the work to earn it, to give it back to those sitting on the majority of all the bread in all the world already, escape you?

And how is starving those at the very bottom helping them to move up in society? Ever read Les Mis? The protagonist in that story is condemned to 19 years of hard labor for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving nephew. That's the kind of world we're creating here.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:44 AM
 
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You can disagree but in this case you don’t even get my point to disagree. You just say the Right see the poor as leeches, and in our current system it is true. The poor are leeches. They are given freebies that are subsidized by everyone else.
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