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Old 12-06-2017, 01:33 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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They can allow us to put an embassy somewhere, but they can’t order us where to put our embassy.

Somalia could say we need to put an embassy in the middle of a mine field, but we don’t have to do so.

We can request to put our embassy in a mine field, and they can say yes or no, but neither of us can dictate where an embassy is located.

Is there a specific reason why our consulate in Jerusalem can’t become our embassy and our embassy in Tel Aviv becom a consulate; other than Israel saying no?

I don't know, does Israel ban shell games?

 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:35 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Yes, from what I could find a number of countries have consulates in Jerusalem while their embassies are in Tel Aviv. IMO Israel should be the determining voice of where the embassies are located.
Have there ever been threats with follow through to embassies in Israel? No. Have there been threats to embassies in Muslim countries? Yes. Shows one where the actual safety and security is. There are numerous verbal threats to Israel yet there is rarely a follow through. There are few verbal threats to embassies in other countries, yet there are attacks. Perceived Reality versus Reality.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:36 PM
 
Location: sumter
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It is figured out, and it has been for a long time. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
OK, now how does this make your life better here at home?
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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It is figured out, and it has been for a long time. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

And good, bad, or indifferent it's still important to three different religions. Unless all three are accommodated in some way you can bet there will be enough "My god is better than your god" BS to preclude peace in Jerusalem until hell freezes over.

Personally, I think the ME is a cesspool and for the US to think a baby of a country is going to solve conflicts that are hundreds if not thousands of years old is the height of naivete and little else.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Is there a specific reason why our consulate in Jerusalem can’t become our embassy and our embassy in Tel Aviv becom a consulate; other than Israel saying no?

My friends in Jerusalem tell me that this is one of the options being considered.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:40 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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They can allow us to put an embassy somewhere, but they can’t order us where to put our embassy.

Somalia could say we need to put an embassy in the middle of a mine field, but we don’t have to do so.

We can request to put our embassy in a mine field, and they can say yes or no, but neither of us can dictate where an embassy is located.

Is there a specific reason why our consulate in Jerusalem can’t become our embassy and our embassy in Tel Aviv become a consulate; other than Israel saying no?
Now you know how the US works. The US will want a new building with all new furnishings and technology.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:42 PM
 
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Bold move by a man not afraid to make the controversial decisions
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Have there ever been threats with follow through to embassies in Israel? No. Have there been threats to embassies in Muslim countries? Yes. Shows one where the actual safety and security is. There are numerous verbal threats to Israel yet there is rarely a follow through. There are few verbal threats to embassies in other countries, yet there are attacks. Perceived Reality versus Reality.

From what I read Israel's internal security forces are top notch but I've also read things that make me believe their operations would never be tolerated by Americans at home.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:43 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Bold move by a man not afraid to make the controversial decisions
Bold talk, let's see how/if the walk goes.
 
Old 12-06-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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From what I read Israel's internal security forces are top notch but I've also read things that make me believe their operations would never be tolerated by Americans at home.
If the US would have had their security protocols in place when I was in Lebanon as a US Marine, I doubt I would have most of the injuries I live with daily since 1983.

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