When Trump fires Mueller, what will happen? (country, Washington, own)

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by Kibby

Rex Tillerson was supposed to be "fired" or "quit" every month since March.
Lot's of stories about how Jeff Sessions will be "fired" and John Kelly will "quit".

Don't you folks ever feel silly with all these Fairy Tales that never happen?

I'll go way out on a Limb and say that Robert Mueller will NOT be fired "next week" or even the week after that by Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel (Adam Schiff's latest tirade) and certainly not by President Trump.

Why??? None of them have the Power to fired Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
How can you folks not understand that???

President Trump can order the AG to investigate everything Mueller and uncover all the dirt on the guy. By being investigated, Mueller would have to recuse himself from the investigation.

[natalie469]

Originally Posted by BentBow

President Trump can order the AG to investigate everything Mueller and uncover all the dirt on the guy. By being investigated, Mueller would have to recuse himself from the investigation.

But why would Trump do that if he, himself, has nothing to hide.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

Richard Nixon fired Archibold Cox the Watergate special counsel/prosecutor.

Honest question: has the law changed since 1973 so the President is now prohibited from firing a special prosecutor?

If so, could you let me know when that law was changed? Thank you.

Nixon was right to fire him. Nixon didn't know about all the back door dealings, his so called buddies were doing to get him removed from office. He had no clue they were in on the set up, when they asked him for help, after he canned Cox.

[Angry-Koala]

Originally Posted by Reads2MUCH

I think the real question might be "will any of you on this site or across the country who are just completely convinced Trump did something wrong EVER actually believe he didn't, even if Mueller himself says so?"

Yes, I would, because I trust Mueller.

[phma]

Originally Posted by db108108

Really sad, isn't it? And meanwhile, he robs them blind with a tax "cut" and they line up for more. He has destroyed the office of the presidency and they cheer him on. He cozies up to dictators and throws away international friendships that have been fostered for decades and they think it's wonderful.

After all of this is over, we're doing to need a mass program to unbrainwash them.

You mean like the communist did when they united North and South Viet Nam. Those reeducation camps ?

What else will the communist Democrat anarchy party subject the population too ? Starvation and murder is the norm for such ideology.

[kingtodd]

Originally Posted by Immerse

And of course FOX news, a state propaganda, helps them spread the word.

Now they are saying that emails obtained by Mueller from third party (General Services Admin) are somehow illegal.

They seem to forget that prosecutors in most white collar criminal investigations do that. it's not inappropriate, unusual, let alone illegal. If Mueller obtained a privileged email, the defense would be able to exclude it from evidence at trial. But there is nothing wrong with the fact of obtaining it and common practice in investigations.

Trump shills - especially the fox news ones - are trying lay ground to have public believe Mueller needs to be fired. Another pathetic attempt.

To trump suporters - educate yourself please before you fall blindly for state propaganda.

Brilliant move by team Mueller to go after those emails! The American people thank you. We now have a treasure trove of Dufus's damning communications to accept help from the russians to rig the election. Trumpsters say no collusion, I say no problem! Chase the money and taxes and unearth all of Donny boy' illegal international money scams. No money laundering say Trumpsters. Ok fine. BUT we still have the potent and impeachment in waiting charge of obstruction of justice. Trump is likely guilty of all three and then some. You see, Trump's goose is cooked!!

[kingtodd]

Originally Posted by BentBow

It is not funny.

Violating 1000's of Americans 4th Amendment, is no laughing matter.
They cannot legally use FISA Courts to spy on Americans, like they did.

It is very much a laughing matter. The Trump presidency itself is a laughing matter.

[reed067]

Originally Posted by T-310

Shutting down the investigation could be Hillary’s salvation.

I think she should be investigated as well anyone who they suspect is guilty of doing anything illegal should be as well I don't care what party they are members of.

[RosieSD]

Originally Posted by Kibby

Rex Tillerson was supposed to be "fired" or "quit" every month since March.

I'll go way out on a Limb and say that Robert Mueller will NOT be fired "next week" or even the week after that by Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel (Adam Schiff's latest tirade) and certainly not by President Trump.

Why??? None of them have the Power to fired Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
How can you folks not understand that???

Thanks for this. I was wondering about this same question so you prompted me to do a little research.

As those of us of a "certain age" will remember, in 1973, Richard Nixon fired Archibold Cox, the Watergate special prosecutor.

After that, a special provision was enacted to the special counsel regulations was added that prohibited the President from firing a special counselor. Only the AG could fire a special counsel and there are very specific regulations governing how that can occur.

That regulation was up for renewal in 1999, but was allowed to expire. So, experts are somewhat divided about whether a President can now fire a special counsel, but it appears that most fall on the side that the President can't fire the special prosecutor himself (but he can put pressure on the AG to do so).

An excerpt from an article on the Hill explains how this might affect the current situation:

Although commentators and academics are divided, the majority of experts argue that President Trump cannot himself remove Mueller from the special counsel role because the statutory power to appoint a special counsel resides with the attorney general, and well-established federal law holds that the power of removal goes along with the power of appointment. Therefore, a president generally has no power to remove officers appointed by a department head, absent congressional direction otherwise.

Secondly, the removal provision of the regulation under which Mueller was appointed requires that a special counsel may be removed only by the personal action of the attorney general.

This means that, effectively, the only way that President Trump can cause the removal of Mueller from the special counsel role is to have Rosenstein, as acting attorney general [in this case, since Jeff Sessions had to recluse himself], fire Mueller. And Rosenstein would be required to follow the strict standard for removal of the special counsel regulation noted above, because this regulation has the force of law for so long as it is in effect.

Thus, the only way for Mueller to be fired without a showing of cause or affirmative misconduct would be for the DOJ to attempt to rescind the special counsel regulations, which, although theoretically possible, would undoubtedly create a political firestorm. Moreover, Rosenstein has himself testified that he is the only person who can fire Mueller, and that if President Trump asked Rosenstein to remove Mueller, he would not follow such an order if no good cause existed.




Fire the special counsel? History shows it would be a bad idea | TheHill

Thanks again, Kibby for mentioning this and encouraging us to learn more.

[ChiGeekGuest]

Originally Posted by BentBow

Nixon was right to fire him. Nixon didn't know about all the back door dealings, his so called buddies were doing to get him removed from office. He had no clue they were in on the set up, when they asked him for help, after he canned Cox.