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Old 01-18-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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Discrimination is a fundamental requriement of life. It's how our immune systems keep us alive. It doesn't need to be "legitimized".
That's quite a stretch, Gumby.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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That's quite a stretch, Gumby.
It's an absolute fact.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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It's an absolute fact.
I don't think you understand biology.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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I don't think you understand biology.
You're making it clear that you don't, or at least this aspect of it. Biology is a big field, and you may something about something, but you clearly don't understand the immune function, which is to discriminate between self and non-self to keep "self" alive and healthy.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:20 PM
 
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Exactly, the first time a straight, white Christian is turned away by a baker or pharmacist they will whine and cry like babies. IMO, if your religion demands that you act like a jerk and discriminate against other human beings, it is time to reevaluate why you are a member of such a hateful group pf people.

The number of conservatives that are comfortable with their religion and their Messiah being used as tools of persecution and hatred is a sad and pathetic spectacle to witness. If refusing medical treatment for gays is what it takes to be a Christian, eff them and their book of fairy tales.
Lol.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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You're making it clear that you don't, or at least this aspect of it. Biology is a big field, and you may something about something, but you clearly don't understand the immune function, which is to discriminate between self and non-self to keep "self" alive and healthy.
You over simplifying a process of the human biology to represent an action in sociology.

A person discriminating against another is not the same.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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You over simplifying a process of the human biology to represent an action in sociology.

A person discriminating against another is not the same.
It is indeed.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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Trump to Overhaul HHS Civil Rights Office to Allow Anti-LGBT Religion-Based Discrimination: REPORT - Towleroad

One of the goals for the fundamentalist Republican theocrats is to allow doctors and hospitals to refuse life-saving treatment to gay people. Looks like they are about to get it

I have no doubt if these Republicans could get away with it, homosexuality would be a capital crime and the executions of gay people would be a public spectacle, done with the singing of Baptist hymns. These theocrats that have complete control over our country right now aren't much different than ISIS. Moderator cut: trolling/flaming They hate the Constitution and the First Amendment and are looking for ways to circumvent it. If they ever do, dark times are coming for this country and anybody who isn't a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.






So let me get this straight, we are NOT going to fine Christian cake makers $130k for refusing to bake a same-sex wedding cake?


Then how is the Gaystapo supposed to drive them out of business and ruin their lives for adhering to their religious convictions?




What's next?


Christian doctors don't have to perform elective abortions?






"The pending rule, which could be released as soon as this week, has been described to POLITICO as establishing a new division of the HHS civil rights office that would conduct compliance reviews, audits and other enforcement actions to ensure that health care providers are allowing workers to opt out of procedures when they have religious or moral objections."

Trump Overhauls HHS Civil Rights Office to Allow Anti-LGBT Religion-Based Discrimination - Towleroad
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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How is a doctor going to determine I’m a lesbian in order to refuse treatment? I must be missing something here....
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:49 PM
 
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As have said this new "division" covers a vast array of religious conscious objections; abortions, LGBT care (including trans operations), assisted suicide and so forth.


Head of HHS has made it clear they are going to aggressively "enforce" DT's policy regarding religious objections that were framed in his EO.


Website for this new division is already up and running. It also actively is seeking "complaints" from those who feel they have been "persecuted" or whatever for raising religious conscious objections. What will happen is quite clear...


HHS will then use power of federal government to haul various institutions into court and basically begin a program of suing the pants off hospitals, clinics and anyone else that does not toe this particular line.


https://www.hhs.gov/regulations/comp...als/index.html


"Federal statutes protect health care provider conscience rights and prohibit recipients of certain federal funds from discriminating against health care providers who refuse to participate in these services based on moral objections or religious beliefs.
You may file a complaint under the Federal Health Care Provider Conscience Protection Statutes if you believe you have experienced discrimination because you:
  • Objected to, participated in, or refused to participate in specific medical procedures, including abortion and sterilization, and related training and research activities
  • Were coerced into performing procedures that are against your religious or moral beliefs
  • Refused to provide health care items or services for the purpose of causing, or assisting in causing, the death of an individual, such as by assisted suicide or euthanasia" https://www.hhs.gov/conscience/consc...ons/index.html



Likely first if not major targets will be the liberal/progressive/democratic leaning states or local governments that have in place broad and vast anti-discrimination statues. Places like New York (state and city), California (and various local governments), Oregon, etc....


In short DT and his instruments know exactly what they are doing:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/01...n-seekers.html
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