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LOL, Wait until a gay or transgender person discriminates against you because you're straight! It would be funny to see how straight people, who believe strongly in discrimination, would react when the tables are turned on them.
Exactly. Although, people in the LGBTQ community have higher morals and ethics than the conservative, religious, theocracy craving posters here so they would not discriminate. But if they did, these people would scream and cry. Unfortunately, they wouldn't learn a darn thing - like empathy.
BTW, has any one here heard of the Hippocratic oath?
Either we have the right to conscientiously object to things in this nation or we do not. This is a simple freedom of association matter that government has no need to involve itself in, as the free market would handle it just fine on their own.
If employers retained their freedom of association and were interested in maintaining good will and positive publicity, they would have a rule of employment that says while we respect the conscientious objector, they have no place working here, so long, see ya. Most employers would go that route because market share matters, and refusing customers is no good for holding or grabbing more market share in any market.
But because employers have all but lost their rights of association, government has to make a ruling on how far conscientious objection can go. You can dodge military service with it. Several religious orders get to opt out of various taxes with it. You can dodge jury duty with it. You can say no to performing abortions with it. Etc etc.
So we allow all sorts of conscientious objection based on personal and religious grounds. Question is, do we remain consistent, or do we default to standard American hypocrisy where we take both sides of every issue according to whatever the cultural narrative says on any given day?
You don't get it, if the Leftists have their way, every career choice will end up having that choice, thus forcing us out of work and likely opening us up to "hate tribunals" like in the People's Republic of Canada and the People's Republic of the UK.
You mean nondiscrimination within the medical profession will force people out of the medical field?
As I said if you have a moral objection go into a different line of work that does not compromise your moral conviction.
Either we have the right to conscientiously object to things in this nation or we do not. This is a simple freedom of association matter that government has no need to involve itself in, as the free market would handle it just fine on their own.
If employers retained their freedom of association and were interested in maintaining good will and positive publicity, they would have a rule of employment that says while we respect the conscientious objector, they have no place working here, so long, see ya. Most employers would go that route because market share matters, and refusing customers is no good for holding or grabbing more market share in any market.
But because employers have all but lost their rights of association, government has to make a ruling on how far conscientious objection can go. You can dodge military service with it. Several religious orders get to opt out of various taxes with it. You can dodge jury duty with it. You can say no to performing abortions with it. Etc etc.
So we allow all sorts of conscientious objection based on personal and religious grounds. Question is, do we remain consistent, or do we default to standard American hypocrisy where we take both sides of every issue according to whatever the cultural narrative says on any given day?
You have a right not to work in the medical field if you are unable to serve all that come through the door. Very simple.
Exactly. Although, people in the LGBTQ community have higher morals and ethics than the conservative, religious, theocracy craving posters here so they would not discriminate. But if they did, these people would scream and cry. Unfortunately, they wouldn't learn a darn thing - like empathy.
BTW, has any one here heard of the Hippocratic oath?
Higher morals? LMAO Yea like forcing others to bow to their will even though no ones rights have been violated.
Unfortunately, they hgaven't learn a darn thing - like honor the rights of the individual.
Briefly looking at the article, it seemed the objections would mostly have to do with abortion and the transformation aspects of the needs of transgenders (forgive the wording, it is the best I could do). It would have nothing to do with treating a person, just performing those "tasks". I have supported this when it came to abortion forever. For transgenders, the surgical part, not feeling they can be morally involved in it, I don't see it doing that much harm to anyone, so support that also. Do you really want people performing surgical procedures on you if they don't want to be there?
I want people performing surgical procedures that can separate their training and job duties from their personal convictions. I want those people in every job from server to surgeon.
Higher morals? LMAO Yea like forcing others to bow to their will even though no ones rights have been violated.
Unfortunately, they hgaven't learn a darn thing - like honor the rights of the individual.
Who is forcing anyone into the medical field? If the premise of this post is true, the only rights that would be violated would be those of the patient and it could go beyond just rights to death.
I do wish you understood what honoring the rights of the individual meant. You can hate whomever you like. You just cannot violate their rights as a human to satisfy that hatred. See below for reference.
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I want people performing surgical procedures that can separate their training and job duties from their personal convictions. I want those people in every job from server to surgeon.
I want people performing surgical procedures that can separate their training and job duties from their personal convictions. I want those people in every job from server to surgeon.
So, your interest would be more in your well-being than an agenda to make someone do something that they felt was against their moral convictions?
Again, no one is talking about withholding medical care. It appears to be limited to surgical procedures that terminate the life of a baby or alter sexual "traits" of individuals. That is it. No one is going to be denied emergency care, denied being treated for a life threatening disease, denied vaccinations, denied brain surgery.................. This jump on the bandwagon of ignorance that goes on with articles like this is ridiculous. Is it that people cannot read or can they not comprehend what they read? We see again and again here. One untruth is stated and a dozen sillies come in with their panties in a wad multiplying the untruths.
I would think that transgendered surgery requires a "specialty" which most surgeons will not have the knowledge to do, and abortion, ending the life of a baby with surgical instruments probably isn't that hard, but again a speciality which one should be able to choose or not. Both these, as mentioned, may be seen as "doing harm" by an individual.
Everyone is always screaming about having a choice, but these are the very people who want to take away "choice" for others.
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