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Old 01-27-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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Tell that to the millions and millions of people who were able to get health insurance for the first time. They would disagree.

Still waiting for the GOP's wonderful replacement...
Tell that to the people who lost insurance, lost their Dr., still waiting for their $2500....

obama stated his plan would cover all Americans? What happened?
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The first projections for Trumpcare 2019 are in: Expect rate increases of up to 30%

Looks like he has a great healthcare plan. Actually the interesting thing thats pointed out is that this will impact those making 4X the poverty limit, as the subsidies will shelter the poorer folks.

2019 will be the first time we see the impacts of the war on the ACA. Will it really be 30% as the study estimates? Barring some changes I can see that occurring.


Well, after Obamacare completely FUBAR'd my healthcare by tripling my premiums and quadrupling my deductible, I can't say that another 30% is going to make much difference.

Once you can't afford to actually use the health insurance your paying for, it doesn't really matter how much more it goes up from there, does it?
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Most 1st world countries gets their healthcare from their government. On average they spend $4800 pr citizen, and never ever have to worry about their healthcare or insurance. They also have superior healthcare compared to the US.

In the US, you spend on average $9600, and constantly have to worry about your healthcare. And most of you dont have access or can afford it.



So, the Republican mantra is.. PAY FOR YOURSELF, LAZY BUM.. and then goes out and buys overprieced inferior insurance, because he can´t stand the thought of "giving money to others".

His/here brain is not functioning properly to understand that everybody would benefit tremendously if everybody chipped in..


But nooooo, FREEEEEEEDOM... Murica F YEah
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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Most 1st world countries gets their healthcare from their government. On average they spend $4800 pr citizen, and never ever have to worry about their healthcare or insurance. They also have superior healthcare compared to the US.

In the US, you spend on average $9600, and constantly have to worry about your healthcare. And most of you dont have access or can afford it.



So, the Republican mantra is.. PAY FOR YOURSELF, LAZY BUM.. and then goes out and buys overprieced inferior insurance, because he can´t stand the thought of "giving money to others".

His/here brain is not functioning properly to understand that everybody would benefit tremendously if everybody chipped in..


But nooooo, FREEEEEEEDOM... Murica F YEah
Really, you believe your own words! Everyone chipping in! People who get a government check don't chip in as they only take out and overal go to a doctor the most. The rest is paying mostly for the group that is not working. Including kids, elderly, sick, unemployed, illegals etc.

On top of that waiting times for a specialist are very long and if your primary will not provide you with a referral than forget getting to see any specialist!

I bet you never lived in a country with a system like that and otherwise if you enjoyed it than you can get it over there.

I never understood people who live or lived else where and want to implement laws on others who only want to improve what they have without a complete give away and complete change.
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It similar to removing a head of state by war. General Powell is famous for the expression as pertaining to Iraq. The US invaded a sovereign country and removed its President. As a result, we owned it and had to pour a trillion$ and blood into it.
Yes, a "sovereign county" that harbored, supported and funded terrorists. And a "sovereign" country which broke the 1991 cease-fire agreement and resolution 1441.
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Old 01-27-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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High deductible, catastrophic plans have been available under ACA right along for those under 30 and those over 30 who meet hardship guidelines.

IIRC, they still have to cover vaccinations and the health insurance companies are prohibited from putting annual or lifetime dollar limits on benefits.

Some of the less expensive catastrophic plans that used to be available had annual and lifetime caps, which were fine if you never had to deal with recurring bouts of cancer, etc. In which case, you would soon find yourself without insurance coverage.

One of the major drawbacks is that those with high deductibles tend to put off medical visits which can lead to more serious medical conditions.

On the plus side, as long as you stay healthy, you can save money.

Basically, you are self-insuring up to say $6,000/year or whatever your deductible amount is.
Don't forget the cost of your annual premium....for me it would another 12k.
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
High deductible, catastrophic plans have been available under ACA right along for those under 30 and those over 30 who meet hardship guidelines.

IIRC, they still have to cover vaccinations and the health insurance companies are prohibited from putting annual or lifetime dollar limits on benefits.

Some of the less expensive catastrophic plans that used to be available had annual and lifetime caps, which were fine if you never had to deal with recurring bouts of cancer, etc. In which case, you would soon find yourself without insurance coverage.

One of the major drawbacks is that those with high deductibles tend to put off medical visits which can lead to more serious medical conditions.

On the plus side, as long as you stay healthy, you can save money.

Basically, you are self-insuring up to say $6,000/year or whatever your deductible amount is.
Don't forget the cost of your annual premium....for me it would another 12k.
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:54 PM
 
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Really, you believe your own words! Everyone chipping in! People who get a government check don't chip in as they only take out and overal go to a doctor the most. The rest is paying mostly for the group that is not working. Including kids, elderly, sick, unemployed, illegals etc.

On top of that waiting times for a specialist are very long and if your primary will not provide you with a referral than forget getting to see any specialist!

I bet you never lived in a country with a system like that and otherwise if you enjoyed it than you can get it over there.

I never understood people who live or lived else where and want to implement laws on others who only want to improve what they have without a complete give away and complete change.


Bentlebee: I live in a country where this system works.. It just works.. If I get sick, I go see a doctor. I cut of my finger, I go to the hospital. I need see a specialist, I tell my doctor, who sends me to a specialist.

I don´t need insurance.. why should I find a company that would take me on, when I am with millions of others in the same national risk pool, everybody is chipping in and everybody gets what they need.


And half the cost of the American system.. and everybody is covered.


When every other 1st world country is doing the same thing... cheaper, better, fairer, easier, less risk, less child deaths, cheaper medications.. etc etc.. why do you still want to have inefficient, expensive, excluding healthcare system, thats twice as expensive as other countries?

Because you don`t want some Joe Blow, 2 blocks down from you getting your $0.0005 his doctors visit costs you?
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Old 01-27-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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He should have left it alone or abolished it completely. By making small changes people can now call it "Trumpcare" and he will get the blame when the inevitable huge premium increases occur. Nobody should have to pay $600+ month for high deductible health coverage, and self insuring is financial suicide. There should be some sort of national healthcare in place, combined with a secure border and sane immigration policy so we don't have huge numbers of bottom feeders taking from the system without contributing to society. That is financial suicide... you can't have it both ways lefties.. you can't go and save every immigrant and refugee and give them free food, housing, and health care, and expect your welfare system to sustain itself. The losses would be massive. Giving Americans good healthcare means only letting in people who will work and contribute and not taking in a million refugees "just because" like Germany has done.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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That would be a big improvement compared to the 100+% it went up last year in my state. The market place has been destroyed...there's no quick fix for it.
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