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Old 02-01-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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Coal is dead like it should be. We don't need anyone dying in collapsed mines and dying from black lung disease. Renewable energy is the future.
True, unless you like having electricity on nights with no wind. If you like having electricity on windless nights, you’ll need to rely on coal (and natural gas) for backup.

The Germans recently discovered that the sun doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow, so they are building *new coal plants* to compensate.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I fail to understand why the United States can't make efficient use of ALL forms of energy to serve our energy needs.

Seems like common sense to me.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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The Germans recently discovered that the sun doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow, so they are building *new coal plants* to compensate.
Indeed.

And this is NOT brought to you by the MSM.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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This practice has led to boulders rolling downhill into houses below and killing little children as they slept in their beds.
I did a google search and came up with this:

Child's death by mine boulder sets off avalanche of rage - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

It's a heart-breaking tragedy, and may that innocent little child rest in peace. I can't even imagine how the parents of that boy killed by the boulder must feel. But to be fair, the accident (and that's what it was, an accident) was caused by widening a road. I suppose one could say that the road wouldn't have been widened in the absence of the mining; but it's not the mining itself that caused this tragedy.

You described this in the plural. Have there been other similar tragedies?
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Coal is dead like it should be. We don't need anyone dying in collapsed mines and dying from black lung disease. Renewable energy is the future.
Why is it, then, that so many liberals are dead-set against the ultimate clean, renewable energy source: nuclear power?
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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The vast majority of our coal no longer comes from the Eastern mines. only 11% from WV.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...age=coal_where
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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I did a google search and came up with this:

Child's death by mine boulder sets off avalanche of rage - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

It's a heart-breaking tragedy, and may that innocent little child rest in peace. I can't even imagine how the parents of that boy killed by the boulder must feel. But to be fair, the accident (and that's what it was, an accident) was caused by widening a road. I suppose one could say that the road wouldn't have been widened in the absence of the mining; but it's not the mining itself that caused this tragedy.

You described this in the plural. Have there been other similar tragedies?
The private dirt road in question was part of a strip mine site in southwestern Virginia, and construction was being illegally done at night. It was not a public road at all.

A loosened boulder rolled down Black Mountain and into the bedroom of little Jeremy Davidson, crushing the child to death in his bed.

Look into West Virginia's Buffalo Creek disaster for accounts of other innocent lives lost to Big Coal. Look into the dark history of Kentucky's broad form deed, and the havoc its use wreaked on the Cumberland Mountains.

There have many many, many instances of houses damaged and destroyed by coal operations, of streams poisoned by strip mining and mountaintop removal by the chemicals inevitably released into ground water by such practices. There have been vastly worsened floods due to the removal of forests and topsoil in mountainous terrain. One of Kentucky's finest former governors was drowned in such a flood. There are communities subsisting on bottled water, due to chemical pollution of natural water supplies beyond the point that water companies can correct the problem.

I have seen hollows swept bare of houses and vegetation, with creekbeds filled with boulders and downed tree, caused by strip mining. Many of those creeks are tributaries of the Kentucky River, which supplies Central Kentucky, including Lexington, with its public water.

Little Jeremy's story is but one of many tragedies caused by irresponsible coal operations in the southern Appalachians.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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If I'm not mistaken that beautiful clean coal means that we are mining coal again and exporting most of it.

The war on energy was regulating coal out of existence and forcing generation plants to rework to run on NatGas, which has been done. These plants aren't ever going to burn coal again, at least not as long as we are swimming in the stuff (NG).

Under Trump's admin, we are becoming a net exporter of energy (coal, natgas, oil, byproducts...etc.) rather than being an importer. It's the new energy independence initiatives.
We never stopped mining coal.

Any coal jobs gained are offset by the closing of other mines.

We're stagnant - just like we were.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Trump's renewable energy cuts alarm former officials - Jun. 8, 2017

Never mind that energy sector jobs are growing faster then coal. Never mind that China is now in position to be a world leader in exporting solar panels. Never mind that renewable energy is what the public wants. What is Trump's motivation to diminish our position on renewable energy? Some secret business deal he made for himself with China at our expense? A big favor to his oil and gas cronies? Who knows. His shrinking base thinks it's great and a vote is a vote.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: USA
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The private dirt road in question was part of a strip mine site in southwestern Virginia, and construction was being illegally done at night. It was not a public road at all.

A loosened boulder rolled down Black Mountain and into the bedroom of little Jeremy Davidson, crushing the child to death in his bed.

Look into West Virginia's Buffalo Creek disaster for accounts of other innocent lives lost to Big Coal. Look into the dark history of Kentucky's broad form deed, and the havoc its use wreaked on the Cumberland Mountains.

There have many many, many instances of houses damaged and destroyed by coal operations, of streams poisoned by strip mining and mountaintop removal by the chemicals inevitably released into ground water by such practices. There have been vastly worsened floods due to the removal of forests and topsoil in mountainous terrain. One of Kentucky's finest former governors was drowned in such a flood. There are communities subsisting on bottled water, due to chemical pollution of natural water supplies beyond the point that water companies can correct the problem.

I have seen hollows swept bare of houses and vegetation, with creekbeds filled with boulders and downed tree, caused by strip mining. Many of those creeks are tributaries of the Kentucky River, which supplies Central Kentucky, including Lexington, with its public water.

Little Jeremy's story is but one of many tragedies caused by irresponsible coal operations in the southern Appalachians.
It sounds like you have a problem with Freedom. Why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate America?

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