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I do not begrudge anyone who gets subsidies For their health insurance because the idea of people dying on the street and kids dying of cancer and other diseases because of lack of medical coverage bothers me. Maybe not you, but it does me. That is a topic for another day.
In the United States, no one dies from a lack of health insurance coverage.
The outrageous premium and deductible increases under Obamacare made insurance unaffordable and unusable for many more people than it helped.
What does help is miners going back to work.
Those are mostly union jobs and that means they get really good insurance, but that only happens if they have a job.
In the United States, no one dies from a lack of health insurance coverage.
Really? I will have to go tell my mom she isnt actually dead! Its great news! Somehow she was able to go see a dr about that minor issue that was cancer before it became terminal! Instead she learned about it after being brought into the ER. Far far too late.
Lack of insurance kills.
Or go tell my friend that hey, he didn't have to choose not to have the regular dialysis as somehow magically it was covered..... Here is a hint, he choose to die rather then leave his family burdened with the debts from dialysis after he lost his job and insurance.
There is no such thing as "clean coal" and all that's happening in the coal industry is that automation is taking over.
All Trump is doing is ensuring that his buddies who are in the c-suite in coal companies are going to get rich.
And that other countries retain their leadership position in the energy markets of the future, but who cares? We don't need no stinkin' innovation, we need for the GOP donor class to get richer, now.
A propos, here's a photo of the Secretary of Energy giving mineowner Robert E. Murray a big ole bear hug. Awww....
Fans of Murrray will be happy to know the photographer lost his job. Murray has a really big problem with a free press, it gives him a sad. They tell when his company's unsafe practices kill miners, and that's just unfair, what with him being rich and all.
There’s a popular myth that the uninsured—in Texas, that’s 25 percent of us—can always get medical care through emergency rooms. ...
The myth is based on a 1986 federal law called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), which states that hospitals with emergency rooms have to accept and stabilize patients who are in labor or who have an acute medical condition that threatens life or limb. That word “stabilize” is key: Hospital ERs don’t have to treat you. They just have to patch you up to the point where you’re not actively dying.
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The problem with this statement is we know from history the stability of the coal market, the natural gas market is whole other ballgame and is still quite volatile. I don't think that will change especially when they start exporting huge quantities of it.
The history of the coal market is one of boom and bust, going back decades.
I agree that natural gas is volatile and unpredictable long-term. However, at present it's doing extremely well, undeniably.
Its misdirection. There was no real war on coal, coal simply became economically a bad choice, frakking has released a ton of natural gas that is cheaper then coal. The attempt to call it "clean coal" is as moronic of a marketing attempt as you might suspect.
Exactly. It's just more lies and misdirection from Trump and the cultists who think that going backwards in every way imaginable is now "patriotic." I'm surprised Trump didn't announce some insane plan to spend government money putting coal-fired locomotives back on our rails, because that makes about as much sense as his "beautiful, clean coal" lunatic claim. He's nuts, as are the worst of his base.
I also appreciate the bigoted irony to it all. In right-wing land, if a bunch of poor, brown people can't find a job in the inner city, they should move. But, if a bunch of poor, white people can't find a job in coal country, we should elect a lunatic and pretend coal is clean and an economically viable path for the future.
Meanwhile, even in China, they have figured out that coal is neither beautiful nor clean.
Note that the second link comes from the Christian Science Monitor, hardly a "left-wing" website. So, even the far-right is aware of this fact... while Trump continues to be a tool, pandering to his most gullible base.
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That is simply gross, and laughably, incorrect. Estimates have ranged up to 45,000 a year dying from a lack of coverage.
As for the rest, if one really think Trump is going to wave his magic hairpiece and transport America back 100 years to the good old days of coal - steam locomotives and all, than I have useless wall to sell you.
Come, on people. The facts are a matter of record. Clean coal is a joke, coal itself has been in serious decline for business reasons for many decades, and no amount of lying idiocy spewed by the King in Orange is going to change that. Quit pretending that there are countless towns full of skilled miners just waiting to go outside, flip a switch on their mining gear, and make America rich again. That is utter BS.
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Originally Posted by ZUMAN Or like Obamacare is an oxymoron like "great healthcare".
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Originally Posted by TreeBeard
His healthcare was better than none at all and I know plenty of people were happy with it....but I digress.
Yep... I know the people who ended up paying twice as much for theirs, lost their doctors and plans, and susidized the people you know.
I also know a lot of people who ended up on Medicaid which is the same as not really having anything but access to the same free clinics lower income people have always had access to.
BTW, they are still told to go straight to the ER for any medical emergency. If people thought they were going to stop subsidizing ER visits? EHHHH, wrong answer... now you subsidize 3x more.
Better than nothing isn't always better than nothing.
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^^ This is the energy thread, not the healthcare thread. Stay on track.
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