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That does not tell us that they get paid less for the same work, just that you have swallowed the Democrat left's "Politically correct" talking points that say that they do, regardless of the facts or reality.
I worked as a staffing manager. I was a third party that hired people for local companies. I flat out had a guy admit that he wanted to pay a female welder who had education and experience less than a starting welder with no experience and no education because she was a woman. I've had highly educated friends end up quitting jobs in their field because the management refused to acknowledge any of the work they did and often attributed ideas and successful projects to male counterparts who weren't even involved in these things.
I haven't swallowed anything, I've seen it firsthand. But go ahead and keep telling yourself that sexist men don't exist anymore.
My wife warned her previous employer several times that they could legitimately be sued if any of the women got wind that they were paid less money despite doing more work than their male coworkers. She was in charge of accounting so she saw who was getting raises and who was doing what work. The men demanded and got higher wages and compensation and the women would just get the COLA adjustments or whatever was left over.
I don't know what women make non-union in the electrical trade. I have seen a trend of promoting women quickly to more administrative positions in construction. Project managing, estimating, etc. No idea what kind of money they make though.
Without having read all these comments women have been paid less historically. It was believed they would only get married and to likely discourage them from independence..
Without having read all these comments women have been paid less historically. It was believed they would only get married and to likely discourage them from independence..
My wife warned her previous employer several times that they could legitimately be sued if any of the women got wind that they were paid less money despite doing more work than their male coworkers. She was in charge of accounting so she saw who was getting raises and who was doing what work. The men demanded and got higher wages and compensation and the women would just get the COLA adjustments or whatever was left over.
I don't know what women make non-union in the electrical trade. I have seen a trend of promoting women quickly to more administrative positions in construction. Project managing, estimating, etc. No idea what kind of money they make though.
Duh, as a result, accounting is dominated by women!
I worked as a staffing manager. I was a third party that hired people for local companies. I flat out had a guy admit that he wanted to pay a female welder who had education and experience less than a starting welder with no experience and no education because she was a woman. I've had highly educated friends end up quitting jobs in their field because the management refused to acknowledge any of the work they did and often attributed ideas and successful projects to male counterparts who weren't even involved in these things.
I haven't swallowed anything, I've seen it firsthand. But go ahead and keep telling yourself that sexist men don't exist anymore.
Nobody denies sexism exists; however, IN GENERAL, women aren’t paid less for doing the same job with the same quality. When women are indeed paid less , it literally means they edged out their male competitors.
I have seen "equal pay for equal work" my entire working life beginning in 1972, for the same jobs at the same level and with the same competence.
Unless you have actually seen their paycheck, how would you really know? Many companies frown on (meaning find a reason to fire) employees discussing how much they earn.
Duh, as a result, accounting is dominated by women!
I'm not sure what part of my response was "duh", but comments like yours are exactly why people don't have "honest discussions without hurling insults".
Why did you ask a question if you already believe you know the answer?
I'm not sure what part of my response was "duh", but comments like yours are exactly why people don't have "honest discussions without hurling insults".
Why did you ask a question if you already believe you know the answer?
I apologize. I shouldn’t use “duh.” You used an evidence contradicting yourself.
I ask because I want to see who is still fooled by this.
I apologize. I shouldn’t use “duh.” You used an evidence contradicting yourself.
I ask because I want to see who is still fooled by this.
I don't believe I used evidence contradicting myself. My wife noticed a discrepancy in duties performed and pay. The women coaches despite working more hours, had a lower salary than the men, she tracked the hours, and knew what each coach's responsibilities were. She also knew when the men demanded raises, and who got what bonuses.
I know many people would like the employer to abide by "equal" pay standards, but unfortunately many do not, and I don't believe it's usually malicious. Women just tend to be more passive about getting raises, they often believe that if they excel at their duties it will be recognized. This happens to men too, but I would argue not proportional to women. I have rarely been given a raise that wasn't demanded, and in most cases, I had to demand it. Did I take that opportunity from a woman? Possibly, but I also took it from the other men too.
Say what you will about it, but it just works.
Men tend to overvalue themselves and women tend to undervalue themselves.
Women are less comfortable saying "no", so they will experience job creep without demanding higher compensation.
In my opinion they should be teaching soft skills like this to our youth because most people don't have unions that help level the playing field. I was able to coach my wife into getting better deals for herself, but in my opinion she was still way underpaid for what she provided. Part of her problem is that her woman supervisor kept the ceiling low because she undervalued herself. My wife has since quit and started her own business so it's irrelevant at this point.
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