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View Poll Results: Are women really paid less for doing the same job with the same quality?
Yes. We have stats to support this. 33 25.98%
No. The stats are wrong because they don't account for factors such as type of jobs or tenure. 89 70.08%
I don't know. 5 3.94%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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If this were true, why would anybody hire men when they can pay women less for doing the same job with the same quality?

All the business people including female business owners must be stupid. Maybe it's a great opportunity for us to open a new company and only hire women so that we can undercut the whole business world and beat the crap out of the competitions.

Who's in with me to creating an all women drilling or construction team, and we will charge the customers 30% cheaper for the same job since we can pay women at 77 cents on the dollar?

Imagine how quickly we can take over the entire world!
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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It's false. It's been proved false. And oh .. yeah it's NOT TRUE.

The stat was made by taking all pay to women and all pay to men and averging them.

It does not take into account ANY of the following:
College degree (AA vs BA vs MA vs PhD)
Years worked
Years experience in the job
Time off (any prolonged absences from the workforce)
Types of jobs (men and women seek different types of jobs)
Seniority
Negotiating ability
Part-time vs full-time vs salary
Number of hours worked per week

All of which play a part in determining salary levels.

It also did NOT compare salaries of like jobs:

Example: Take a male and a female MD, same specialty, comparable college degrees, work experience and patient population in a similar geographic area, and see if the salaries are comparable.

But feminists don't need facts. /shrug/

They just need to yell the loudest. And *feel* like they are right.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Anyone who watched the Peterson/Cathy Newman interview should know the correct answer...
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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If there is an instance found where women with the same relative tenure and experience as men are paid less for doing the same work, then legal action should certainly be taken. We have laws that prohibit that.

However, I have never seen it and by all appearances, it appears that the examples are exceedingly few. Certainly not enough to build a legitimate movement around. An illegitimate movement, sure. But a legitimate movement, no way.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
It's false. It's been proved false. And oh .. yeah it's NOT TRUE.

The stat was made by taking all pay to women and all pay to men and averging them.

It does not take into account ANY of the following:
College degree (AA vs BA vs MA vs PhD)
Years worked
Years experience in the job
Time off (any prolonged absences from the workforce)
Types of jobs (men and women seek different types of jobs)
Seniority
Negotiating ability
Part-time vs full-time vs salary
Number of hours worked per week

All of which play a part in determining salary levels.

It also did NOT compare salaries of like jobs:

Example: Take a male and a female MD, same specialty, comparable college degrees, work experience and patient population in a similar geographic area, and see if the salaries are comparable.

But feminists don't need facts. /shrug/

They just need to yell the loudest. And *feel* like they are right.
Getting paid lower is a good thing - it means others aren’t getting your position.
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Old 02-09-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Jordan Peterson busted that myth with facts and data.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINDG7AI-4o
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Jordan Peterson busted that myth with facts and data.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINDG7AI-4o
This hurts.

Looks like I won't be getting a raise any time soon.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Not in modern times.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Not in modern times.
Exactly!

I think this falls in line with the younger ones who believe that a job should pay what they desire to live on, and not what a job pays per what the market allows.

I have seen "equal pay for equal work" my entire working life beginning in 1972, for the same jobs at the same level and with the same competence.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:02 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
It's false. It's been proved false. And oh .. yeah it's NOT TRUE.

The stat was made by taking all pay to women and all pay to men and averging them.

It does not take into account ANY of the following:
College degree (AA vs BA vs MA vs PhD)
Years worked
Years experience in the job
Time off (any prolonged absences from the workforce)
Types of jobs (men and women seek different types of jobs)
Seniority
Negotiating ability
Part-time vs full-time vs salary
Number of hours worked per week

All of which play a part in determining salary levels.

It also did NOT compare salaries of like jobs:

Example: Take a male and a female MD, same specialty, comparable college degrees, work experience and patient population in a similar geographic area, and see if the salaries are comparable.

But feminists don't need facts. /shrug/

They just need to yell the loudest. And *feel* like they are right.
I saw a report that did just that (excepting the negotiating part I think)

The answer was "depends" It varied by profession. Some females actually were at 102% tho, I remember that. Others were in the 80's.
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