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Old 02-22-2018, 11:21 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I'm listening to La Pierre at CPAC right now. Talking about accountability for school safety. I said it on another thread and I'll say it again. The NRA and shooting groups in general need to step up and off no cost, competent training for armed school staff.


If they are serious about this proposal, then put the rubber to the road. There are thousands of highly competent instructors all across the country (probably more than mere thousands) ready willing and able to step up. They should help to implement the armed staff measure if they're really serious about it.


The NRA has the money, they have the people nd they have facilities. Drafting qualification standards is another area they should get to the plate. Certain standards need met, and I would see LE standards for firearms proficiency be elevated as well.


Yea, it's time to take action. Place staff in schools that are WELL trained and able to operate under the most stressful of situations. Protecting our kids from nut cases.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I'm listening to La Pierre at CPAC right now. Talking about accountability for school safety. I said it on another thread and I'll say it again. The NRA and shooting groups in general need to step up and off no cost, competent training for armed school staff.


If they are serious about this proposal, then put the rubber to the road. There are thousands of highly competent instructors all across the country (probably more than mere thousands) ready willing and able to step up. They should help to implement the armed staff measure if they're really serious about it.


The NRA has the money, they have the people nd they have facilities. Drafting qualification standards is another area they should get to the plate. Certain standards need met, and I would see LE standards for firearms proficiency be elevated as well.


Yea, it's time to take action. Place staff in schools that are WELL trained and able to operate under the most stressful of situations. Protecting our kids from nut cases.
They have millions that they donate to politicians running, why not just stop at the no cost training, why not pay for guns if they are that serious about arming teachers. Oh wait, I forgot that the NRA is more worried about gun sales than safety. That's why they would continue the gun-grabbing Obama myth, even when there was no tragedy to support a potential change in law.

Also I notice a bad two-step by the NRA and Trump. Allegedly the NRA pushed for less mental health sanctions on gun ownership and Trump agreed about this time last year, passing an EO. Now both parties are looking to reverse that EO...
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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I don't know if armed teachers will decrease the murder rate of Students, but I bet the murder rate of Principals and Administrators goes off the chart.
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:09 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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They have millions that they donate to politicians running, why not just stop at the no cost training, why not pay for guns if they are that serious about arming teachers. Oh wait, I forgot that the NRA is more worried about gun sales than safety. That's why they would continue the gun-grabbing Obama myth, even when there was no tragedy to support a potential change in law.

Also I notice a bad two-step by the NRA and Trump. Allegedly the NRA pushed for less mental health sanctions on gun ownership and Trump agreed about this time last year, passing an EO. Now both parties are looking to reverse that EO...

Sure, why not supply the training AND the weapons. I see no issue with that. So yea, knock off the politics and pony up. My local shooting group I know for a fact has lots of people willing to volunteer their time to train armed school staff, we are NRA affiliated, and having armed staff equipped with like firearms (donated by the NRA..I'm way good with that) isn't a bad idea. Why not. It's a proactive and proper step in the right direction.


I'm also for having high qualification standards for armed staff, and again LE should meet or better yet beat those same high standards. I'm OK with seeing monthly qualifications with mandatory minimum scores and evaluations under stress. Up to use of simunitions isn't out of line to my likens'.


This isn't about politics. It's about protecting our kids. The antis yowling about "blood on our hands" and the NRA yowling about "government control and resistance to tyranny" is two sides of an extreme that needs squelching. There is utter irrationality to the point of ridiculouness coming from both ends here.


Properly trained and equipped school staff ready and able to maintain a proper mindset under stress is a great idea. And I firmly believe the NRA and firearms groups and individuals including LE should pony up and make it happen. Hannity was just talking about retired police and military as armed school staff, and I'm not totally on board with that. Being retired military or police does not mean such a person is able to do the job by default. Far from it actually, but saying "police and military" is throwing the anti firearms types a bone, nothing more. SOME retired police and military are ready and able, but being former service of some type or another doesn't necessarily cut in and of itself.
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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I don't know if armed teachers will decrease the murder rate of Students, but I bet the murder rate of Principals and Administrators goes off the chart.
Crap. My gun accidentally went off and the bullet went straight through the heart of the man who just said he wasn't renewing my contract next year!
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Old 02-23-2018, 01:51 AM
 
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There were armed guards around at the massacres at Columbine, the Pulse nightclub, Las Vegas, and Parkland.

Doesn't appear to be a foolproof method.
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:00 AM
 
Location: California
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I don't think armed staff will do much as far as "taking out a criminal" goes but I think that those who already take guns seriously and have a permit to carry should be allowed to do so on campus, with specific rules in place. Just knowing there won't be "gun free" schools may have an impact on keeping these crazy people from showing up or acting out.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:00 AM
 
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Arming school staff is at best idiotic and is a diversion from addressing the real issues.
Explain?
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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I can't imagine. My old German teacher Mrs. Hickersburger armed with a gun... Look out children!!
I guess you want to claim she was the ONLY teacher in the school.

Posts like your is WHY we CAN'T have honest adult discussions on issues.

What part of NO TEACHER WILL BE FORCED to have gun do you NOT understand.

Grow up!
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I don't think armed staff will do much as far as "taking out a criminal" goes but I think that those who already take guns seriously and have a permit to carry should be allowed to do so on campus, with specific rules in place. Just knowing there won't be "gun free" schools may have an impact on keeping these crazy people from showing up or acting out.
Actually the gun free zone as everyone claims is false. Police on campus can carry and also licensed teachers can (in states that allow for them to carry.) The gun free status is applied only to children entirely or staff who are not permitted to carry. I think even Parkland had one of the on-campus police who decided to not enter the building and engage. He has since resigned from the position. The point is as I've said, schools aren't as much of a gun-free soft target as we think because there are actually guns there in a number of cases.
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