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Being in or having been in the military these days has little or nothing to do with knowledge of the Constitution, liberty and educational rights and safety which are all directly related to the Constitution itself.. In reality they are all exclusive of each other at this point in history.
The Constitution says that public education should be handled on a state to state basis. Suggesting ideas is a moot point. The states need to protect their citizens as the leaders that are elected through democracy see fit on a state to state basis.
The Fed was never designed to be a babysitter to the states, just to uphold the Constitution itself. Furthermore if states or cities want designate themselves as sanctuary they should be cut off from all subsidies.
OK, everybody BACK UP. For those of you who only watch your MSNBC news feed, I actually watched the listening session where this idea was brought up. It was one of many suggestions brought up by the parents and kids from Florida. Trump said that it would only work if the teacher/coach was highly trained and that the gun would be kept in a SAFE. Nobody would know which teacher/coach, if any, had access to the safe. Out of respect for the mourning parents and kids, Trump graciously lent credence to each idea. But, of course, all we read from the MSM is "Trump wants to arm teachers". How disgusting.
I don't agree with everything Trump says or does, not by a long shot. But I saw a headline that called Trump's idea of arming teachers "colossally stupid" and I thought to myself, no, the thought of someone going to a high school and shooting 17 innocent kids and others is "colossally crazy", BUT it happened, this kind of thing has happened before, and unfortunately may continue to happen, and that's Trump at least looking at the situation dead on. It's not pretty, it's really, really disturbing, but it's real.
I don't think that ANY of us wants to admit that perhaps we have come to this. That the times have made it necessary to take a step like this, arming our teachers, especially those of us who grew up in times when this could not have even been conceived of. But, we are here. Why? We need to try to understand this is true, but the reality is, we are here, in these times, and this is happening over and over, and NOT because of guns, but because we have become a sick society. While we are figuring why that is, we must protect our schools and our kids. If that means arming everyone from the Principal on down and sending them to concealed classes, that is what we need to do. LIKE it, or not.
I don't agree with everything Trump says or does, not by a long shot. But I saw a headline that called Trump's idea of arming teachers "colossally stupid" and I thought to myself, no, the thought of someone going to a high school and shooting 17 innocent kids and others is "colossally crazy", BUT it happened, this kind of thing has happened before, and unfortunately may continue to happen, and that's Trump at least looking at the situation dead on. It's not pretty, it's really, really disturbing, but it's real.
I don't think that ANY of us wants to admit that perhaps we have come to this. That the times have made it necessary to take a step like this, arming our teachers, especially those of us who grew up in times when this could not have even been conceived of. But, we are here. Why? We need to try to understand this is true, but the reality is, we are here, in these times, and this is happening over and over, and NOT because of guns, but because we have become a sick society. While we are figuring why that is, we must protect our schools and our kids. If that means arming everyone from the Principal on down and sending them to concealed classes, that is what we need to do. LIKE it, or not.
In America there are all types of self-righteous people carrying all types of self-righteous swords. The Constitution was designed to protect the individual from these people.
When you make personal responsibility secondary to Neo-Capitalistic socialism and regard the Constitution as a token of liberty designed to be infringed upon by self-righteous self seekers these are the results, a quagmire of dysfunctional and spoiled puppets who never take responsibility for their actions but expect the magical socialist fairy to bail them out of all the failed delusional socialist agendas that their type of mentality created.
Live by the sword of neo-capitalist socialism, die by the sword of neo-capitalist socialism.
As long as you are bringing up the military, schools, and teachers with guns, has there ever been a school shooting at a military academy?
When I was a kid, there was this movie I liked called TAPS. It had a great cast. The cadets overtook the school. Great movie, I recommend it to anyone who hasn’t seen it. But in real life, has there ever been a school shooting at a military academy? I would think not.
ok.
I served. I was in Desert Storm. based on your required qualification, I am an expert on the subject.
I want to arm teachers.
THanks for clearing this up. We have won the debate.
I see two separate issues: the credibility of the idea itself and the credibility of the person with the idea.
If I may give an analogy:
One of the tactics of a trial lawyer to convince a jury is to first establish credibility of someone who is a proponent of a certain position that the lawyer is advocating for (findings of a particular outcome or a person's innocence or guilt) . Often the lawyer will do that by asking various questions about the background of the witness: the length and depth of their experience, degree of responsibility, certifications, professional awards/commendations received, etc.).
If the idea involves security practices or weapons, someone who is a veteran or who has a law enforcement background is going to offer much more credibility on the issue than someone who is outspoken about such matters but doesn't have the service experience to back up their opinions. That doesn't always mean someone with the experience is going to be credible (i.e. a person receiving an Honorable discharge would obviously be more credible than a Dishonorable discharge), but it's a good clue. So when going through the weight of whether the idea is a good one or not, the fact that a credible person is offering the idea tilts in its favor.
Now, with that said, it is still possible to have a credible person support a bad idea or make unintentional or intentional mistakes with dire consequences, and if the idea itself has so many possible ways it can go bad (even more so when literal life/death situations are involved), it can still be rejected. An example would be if a legislator, who happened to be a veteran, proposed that bars give their patrons ordering 4 drinks within an hour loaded guns so that they wouldn't be "taken advantage of" when they're drunk. Just because a veteran proposed the idea doesn't keep it from being a very stupid idea.
That's the same reason that someone should get a second opinion if there's told they need serious surgery. It shouldn't insult the surgeon or make them think they're not credible. The second opinion is needed because the stakes are so high if the decision is bad. The idea was rejected because of a lack of credibility with the idea, not a lack of credibility of the person offering the idea. And of course, if an idea is bad enough, someone who typically would have had credibility loses it because they're so far out of line with sane thinking.
Trump, who never served n the military, wants to arm teachers.
But it would be OK if Hillary wanted to arm teachers? Or Bernie?
Or it would be OK if Bush wanted to because he had been in the military, but not Bill Clinton because he had not?
How about Reagan?
Carter?.... He was in the navy, and beside, he created Department of Education.
I'll guarantee you that Teddy Roosevelt would want teachers armed. Andrew Jackson, too. Hell, Andy would just as soon drag out the Hawg-leg himself and blaze away.
Barack Obama, who never served in the military, served as president. As usual he didn't know what he was talking about.
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