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Old 03-11-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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So short sighted. If the price of a washing machine goes up 25%, who do you think is going to pay for it? The consumer.

Higher prices equals less consumer demand. Less consumer demand equals less production.
25% would not occur.

Ever.
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Old 03-11-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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The average American doesn't care about a net effect on the deficit, which may or may not even be true. They care about saving $2500 a year in taxes. The Democrats know this, which is why they've been calling for tax cuts for the middle & working classes for decades & why they've had to work so hard to spin the tax cuts as a negative. First the tax cuts were going to make everyone pay more, then they were only going to be for the rich, then people realized they'd save an average of $2500 per family. No one outside of the most delusional Trump haters pays any attention to what Democrats say about the tax cuts anymore since they've been wrong every step of the way so far.

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Old 03-11-2018, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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The steel industry will never come back to life? There have already been announcements of three facilities reopening or expanding, with 1800+ new jobs coming to the important swing states of Ohio & Pennsylvania. Due to AUTOMATION, the steel industry will never be what it was in 1970, but it will get much bigger than it is currently..
That right there will kill jobs all across the board said companies won't need to hire they can open 25,000 new plants but because of automation there won't be many jobs available. If any.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They won't be. Steel has no alternatives. If you need steel, you will buy steel, no matter the price.
If there isn't enough elasticity in the demand for the product to absorb a 25% increase in the cost of materials then fewer will be produced, at some point that can/will result in layoffs or company closures. I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise when you have stated in these forums that wage increases will result in layoffs, why would you claim that wage increases will result in layoffs but price increases in materials won't?

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Susie's job is going. That $11 minimum wage will look mighty good to her soon, when she is looking for work.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/trump-steel...teel-workforce

Trump tariffs on aluminum, steel could cost jobs: Study - Business Insider

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...ffs-2018-03-05
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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If there isn't enough elasticity in the demand for the product to absorb a 25% increase in the cost of materials then fewer will be produced, at some point that can/will result in layoffs or company closures. I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise when you have stated in these forums that wage increases will result in layoffs, why would you claim that wage increases will result in layoffs but price increases in materials won't?
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Labor (rote tasks) can be automated. When I use a self checkout, I am doing Susie's job. With ease btw.

Steel lacks alternative raw materials.

Its artificially cheap now, via dumping below cost, by several nations.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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25% would not occur.

Ever.
Samsung & LG said the price of their washing machines would go up $50. $50 on a purchase of $1,000+ that the average American might by once every ten years. Also of note is that Samsung & LG are both racing to open massive washing machine manufacturing plants in the USA.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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That right there will kill jobs all across the board said companies won't need to hire they can open 25,000 new plants but because of automation there won't be many jobs available. If any.
Not true. Just as an example, let's say there were 100k steel workers in 1970 and there are 50k today. By reopening these steel & aluminum plants there's no reason we can't up that to 75k workers. It will never be as big as it once was, but it's still requires workers. More plants & blast furnaces mean more workers.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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The average American doesn't care about a net effect on the deficit, which may or may not even be true. They care about saving $2500 a year in taxes.
How many people are saving $2500 a year? Personally I don't know of anyone.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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How many people are saving $2500 a year? Personally I don't know of anyone.
Most people I know are saving at least that much.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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If there isn't enough elasticity in the demand for the product to absorb a 25% increase in the cost of materials then fewer will be produced, at some point that can/will result in layoffs or company closures. I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise when you have stated in these forums that wage increases will result in layoffs, why would you claim that wage increases will result in layoffs but price increases in materials won't?



https://www.cfr.org/blog/trump-steel...teel-workforce

Trump tariffs on aluminum, steel could cost jobs: Study - Business Insider

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wh...ffs-2018-03-05
Or maybe it will have the opposite effect and encourage these foreign washing machine companies to build, hire & manufacture in the United States?

LG to advance operation of U.S. washing machine plant:
LG to advance operation of U.S. washing machine plant

Samsung Electronics' U.S. washing machine factory starts production:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1F1254
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