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View Poll Results: Modify indoor smoking ban? Please read post before answering.
Modify indoor smoking ban to let bar owners (adult-only bars) decide AND institute outdoor ban to protect shared airspace. 33 50.00%
Keep indoor ban as is and add outdoor ban. 12 18.18%
Keep indoor ban, add outdoor ban, and add ban on smoking in private residences and cars when children are present. 21 31.82%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-30-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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Smoke travels even outdoors. We have laws already where you can’t smoke so many feet from a public building doorway. In California you can’t smoke in cars with small children. Smokers are addicted they will have no trouble walking farther away to smoke or changing where they go so they can smoke. Is it inconvenient? Yes but a smokers convince does not override the public’s health.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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I have seen an employee working in a smoking bar in an airport. And that is the rub. Employees would have to sit hours a day breathing toxic smoke just because weak willed people can't control themselves.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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A complete ban on tobacco is fine to me. Switch those farmers to growing food.
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Old 03-30-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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Why are people so afraid of capitalism?

They can't handle the number of options the market provides?
I think smoking is a nasty habit, but I dont want to send men with guns into businesses to stop folks from enjoying their habit on private property. Imagine there could be smoking and non-smoking establishments right next to each other, consumers can then make a choice based on personal preference. Actually this scenario exists in many states and without any laws, but as we can see, many just cant accept the philosophy of "live and let live".
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Old 03-30-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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A complete ban on tobacco is fine to me. Switch those farmers to growing food.
So you're the decider for crops now lol
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Each individual can decide if they will allow a smoker on their private property.

They can also decide if they want a Christian, an Asian man, or a transgendered little person on their property.
No, it's "differently gendered person of reduced stature" now.
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Now that smokers have been pushed outside by the indoor smoking ban, thus creating a new perceived hazard in shared airspace, AND most affected tavern owners haven't suffered financial losses as a result of banning smoking, could you support a modification to the ban on indoor smoking to allow tavern owners to decide?

At this point, only a small percentage of such businesses would go back.

I am not talking about any other type of business. Only adult businesses, like taverns, bars, etc. And they would have to display proper warning signage on the front door.
How do you know bar owners haven't suffered financial losses from banning smoking?
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:56 PM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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So many posts about economic results from either allowing/disallowing smoking how about let the owner decide. If they want to have a smoking establishment with employees who understand that is what they would be working in a smoking environment let them. customers can patronize them or not, free choice.
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Old 03-30-2018, 06:57 PM
 
Location: PNW
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How do you know bar owners haven't suffered financial losses from banning smoking?
One here in my town suffered a big loss.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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One of the problems with this smoking vs non smoking issue is that, left to their own devices, you can not trust smokers to do the right thing. Florida passed the clean air act years ago, and it prohibited smoking in the workplace. However, the one place where I worked, the management people smoked, so they conveniently ignored the law.

I would go into the break room and 2 or 3 of them would be puffing away in a cloud of smoke, and I am a non smoker with allergies. When I reminded them of the law, their comeback was "We all break laws, tell me you don't go over the speed limit sometimes.". After a while, I had had it, and told them I was going to report our company to the proper authorities, so they finally saw the light and smoking was banned entirely within the insides of the building.

All the non smokers came to me and said "Thank you, we were afraid to say something!" I hated to do it to my fellow workers who smoked, but they were keeping me from enjoying eating lunch or taking a break without sucking up their toxic smoke.
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