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But that as at the exact same time when murder dropped significantly across the U.S. DiBlasio is the only one who’s murder rates have dropped through a national uptick or stablization or murder rates.
My question once again what did DiBlasio do to trigger a rapid reduction in crime. No one seems to have anything outside of him just happening to be mayor as crime dropped.
I am not getting drawn in to a debate about US Gun Laws, as that's really up to Americans to decide for themselves.
In terms of knife crime there has been a lot of success in Scotland where the Violence Reduction Unit was set up, and the Metropolitan Police have been up to Scotland to examine how the knife crime reduction was acheived and are now setting up similar units in London.
Are you not seeing the parallel here ? The very same rhetoric is being use here on firearms as there on knives. The common denominator is criminals. Firearms aren't easily attained for your criminals, so they use knives.
And this is why we pro firearms people push back against the anti gunners. They seem to think it will be a utopia here without firearms, the logical and common sense people understand that the criminals will just move on to the next thing. As we can see from your country. Unfortunately violence is ingrained into human nature. We can keep taking things away but that nature will never change. I'm sure the first murder in mankind was done using a rock or a bone.
My question once again what did DiBlasio do to trigger a rapid reduction in crime. No one seems to have anything outside of him just happening to be mayor as crime dropped.
Not all of these are crime related but this was a few years ago and he had already made all these changes. I’m also sure Gentrification had to do with the drop in Brooklyn and Manhattan tan but what about Bronx and Queens?
Also I wasn’t really arguing that he did dropped the crime I think their is personally little elected officials like mayors can do to rapidly change the environment of an area. I was arguing you can’t say Guliani did anything and if anyone did anything it had to be DeBlasio as he bucked the trend of stagnation in 2013 and 2014 and the city still dropped in rate 2015 and 2016 when their were increases nationally. Although all the dramatic drops as a percentage still pales in comparison to the sheer drop in numbers of murders that America had from the 90s https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap.../daily-chart-0.
My city of Houston for example in the same period went from a peak of 701 in 1981. That was a rate of 44 homicides per 100,000. It had 198 with 600,000 more people in 2012 were it hit its lowest rate since 1950 something, or a rate of 9 homicides per 100,000.
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Hosea 8:7: "They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."
Almost all of these murders involve immigrants, almost all of the Moslem. London' mayor is pointing the finger at everything but his own policing policies which prevent cops from profiling likely criminals.
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Are you not seeing the parallel here ? The very same rhetoric is being use here on firearms as there on knives. The common denominator is criminals. Firearms aren't easily attained for your criminals, so they use knives.
And this is why we pro firearms people push back against the anti gunners. They seem to think it will be a utopia here without firearms, the logical and common sense people understand that the criminals will just move on to the next thing. As we can see from your country. Unfortunately violence is ingrained into human nature. We can keep taking things away but that nature will never change. I'm sure the first murder in mankind was done using a rock or a bone.
If you actually watch the BBC News and the analysis, a lot of murders woth knives aren't gangs they are domestic violence and ordinary people. Let's also not get carried away London is a city of nearly 9 million and had 130 murders last year, and the police are setting up new units based on the success of violence reduction intiatives in Scotland and the London Borough of Islington, and domestic violece is taken very seriously these days.
It seems London's problem with people using knives in crime isn't a new phenomenom.
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In a country where guns are illegal and in a city where 90 percent of police officers don't carry firearms, knife crime has soared this year in London. More than 35 people have been fatally stabbed through early April this year — compared with a total of 79 such deaths during 2017.
Youth workers in affected communities say that the victims of knife crime are getting younger.
Do you honestly think that London doesn't have a history of gangs going back hundreds of years, as do most other British Cities. If anything the gangs today are fairly tame, indeed the homicide rate was 2% back in Victorian Britain it's 0.9% today. I take it you are aware of writers such as Charles Dickens, who based chrachters such as Fagin and Bill Sykes and his dog Bullseye on the criminal classes they observed in London at the time. Whilst Anthony Burgess wrote 'A Clockwork Orange' after his wife was brutally raped by a group of soldiers in London during WW2, and if you want an insight in to the poverty try reading The Condition of the Working Class in England i by the German philosopher Friedrich Engels or the later 'Road to Wigan Pier' and 'Down and Out in Paris and London' both by George Orwell.
In post WW2 Britain, the 50's Teddy Boys opted for the flick knife, the 60's Mods choice of weapon -razor blades sewn onto their jacket collars and lapels. The bikers they fought in seaside towns opted for wieldeding chains and knives. The football hooligans gangs og the 70's and 80's preferred the stanley knife (a type of carpet knife) and today gangs are still carrying knives.
If you want to go further back there were numerous razor gangs, the television series Peaky Blinders is about one such gang in Birmingham, but most cities had them, and Graham Greene in the classic 1938 Gangster Novel 'Brighton Rock' writes about the race course gangs with the gangster Colleoni based on Charles "Derby" Sabini. As for Pinky Brown his main weapons of choice a razor blade and a bottle of acid, which he tries to use in the final scene of the 1947 film. Other notable gangland figures included Jack "Spot" Comer, Billy Hill, the Messina Brothers (Maltese and Sicilian) and numerous others. At the time in London's East End knucle dusters, knives, razors were part of the fighting life of the area, indeed it was an extremely violent place and the police were often armed with revolvers at night which were known as Comforters, so all this talk of unarmed police force is not even accurate, the police did routinely carry guns in some areas during Victorian Times right up to WW2. The Police aso carried swords back in the 18th Century.
The 60's were a very famous time gor glamorous gangsters, such as the Krays (East End) and the Richardsons (South London), the Richardsons enjoyed nailing people to wooden floors and urinating on them for days (as potrayed in the film The Long Good Friday), as well as passing electrical shocks through the genitals of people who crossed them. Gangs such as the Clerkenwell Crime Syndicate (Adams Brothers) battled with other Irish Mob groups such as the Reillys. The Arifs were South of the River and fought long a battle for supremcy for years with the Brindle's during the 1980's, whilst the and the Hunt Crime Syndicare the subject of a recent Panorama Documentary currently run the East End today.
You had hardmen like Jimmy Burke (Conway) we had the likes of Jimmy Moody and enforcers such as Lenny McLean, Roy Pretty Boy Shaw, John Bindon, whilst the Krays would take people like Heavyweight boxer Rocky Marciano down to the local boys clubs and entertained the likes of Sonny Liston and Joe Louis. Whilst numerous stars including the likes of Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland etc were friends, indeed Garland died of a drug overdose in London in the late 60's.
London was also a centre for gambling and Meyer Lansky and Philadelphia crime family boss Angelo Bruno were involved in the Colony Club in London, which was fronted by US Actor George Raft in charge, unfortunately Goege went on holiday to France and was prevented from returning to the UK having been banned as an undesirable. Antonio "Tony Ducks" Corallo a New York City mobster and later boss of the Lucchese family also had business interests in London and visited a number of times.
Today crime is very much multinational and organised crime gangs from across the world are linked and cooperate in what is known as McMafia, in terms of the streets gangs they were always low level and we have always had them, and they can usually be dealt with by investing in and educating young people. The more hardened international organised crime which operates at a global level and which likes to stay in it's own shdowy murky world is a lot more difficult to get rid of.
Today London is a very gentrified city, places suck as Kings Cross once an area full of underage prostitutes, heroin and rough sleepers is now totally changed, with the area now home to numerous tech companies and the same is true of numerous areas in London. If you want see a representation of how Kings Cross and London were at the time I suggest you watch the movie 'Mona Lisa' starring Bob Hoskins.
Soho is another area which has changed, indeed it was once the epicentre of the sex industry and subsequent organised crime but this has also now changed beyond recognition, and London today depsite a few stabbing and some over sensationalised reporting is one of the safest cities of it's size anywhere in the world.
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