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How in the hell is self-ownership a "faulty premise" and a "contradiction?" Of course we own our own bodies.
If you say we don't own our own bodies, who does--the State? If so you're saying the State can tell us what we can eat, drink, smoke, or otherwise ingest because we're just renting our bodies from them. You're saying that a woman can't have an abortion unless the State approves. That we can't get tattoos or piercings. That we can only have haircuts approved by the State.
Self-ownership is the single most important benefit of being born.
People are not property.
Children are not owned by their family. & so on.
The concept is important to your religion. Some folks don't buy what you're selling.
Resources as in a mine or a crop field, not tools of production.
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Nozick takes his position to follow from a basic moral principle associated with Immanuel Kant and enshrined in Kant's second formulation of his famous Categorical Imperative: "Act so that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in that of another, always as an end and never as a means only." The idea here is that a human being, as a rational agent endowed with self-awareness, free will, and the possibility of formulating a plan of life, has an inherent dignity and cannot properly be treated as a mere thing, or used against his will as an instrument or resource in the way an inanimate object might be.
While both platforms begin with a faulty premise, a dysfunctional syllogistic argument so to speak, a sophistry.
Children aren't even fooled by it, simply this; people are not property, they cannot be owned like property. Without the faulty premise of 'self-ownership', a contradiction in terms ~ it all falls apart.
If there is no premise of self ownership why are people not property? Because you said so? Well if we accept that there is no concept of self ownership, I say people can be property, or if not that then anyone has equal claim on the product of anyone else's labor (because you don't own it, you said you don't own yourself, how can you own your labor? If you agree PM me for my PayPal account so you can send me your salary, I also accept cryptos).
Further if you don't own yourself as people have already said, are bad health choices, tattoos, elective medical procedures, all a form of vandalism? Can they be prosecuted? How can people sue for medical negligence for damage to something they don't own?
The concept is important to your religion. Some folks don't buy what you're selling.
For some reason you are unable to discern the difference between ownership of self and ownership of others. You are your OWN property, and own yourself by virtue of birth; conversely, you cannot own another person as that requires force.
The concept of collectivism is important to your religion, but some folks don't buy what you're selling.
If there is no premise of self ownership why are people not property? Because you said so? Well if we accept that there is no concept of self ownership, I say people can be property, or if not that then anyone has equal claim on the product of anyone else's labor (because you don't own it, you said you don't own yourself, how can you own your labor? If you agree PM me for my PayPal account so you can send me your salary, I also accept cryptos).
Further if you don't own yourself as people have already said, are bad health choices, tattoos, elective medical procedures, all a form of vandalism? Can they be prosecuted? How can people sue for medical negligence for damage to something they don't own?
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Originally Posted by rebeldor
For some reason you are unable to discern the difference between ownership of self and ownership of others. You are your OWN property, and own yourself by virtue of birth; conversely, you cannot own another person as that requires force.
The concept of collectivism is important to your religion, but some folks don't buy what you're selling.
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