Sessions: Parents, children entering U.S. illegally will be separated MERGED (illegal aliens, border)

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

Because the building is closed? Try to weasel all you want. Not subjecting them to the legal process is not denying due process.



Suppose a group of people are hanging out at a park bench at midnight and the park closes at 9pm. If a cop escorts them to the entrance and tells them to stay out versus taking them to jail and having them charged with trespassing, how exactly does that violate due process? Because that is an exact analogy. Immediate return is simply letting them go and not charging them.

That's not the exact analogy at all.

Unless the United States closes at 9PM. Which, it certainly does not.

[Salmonburgher]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

That's not the exact analogy at all.

Unless the United States closes at 9PM. Which, it certainly does not.

The analogy was quite good.

But, why do you believe that aliens have a right to enter the US?

The simple fact is that aliens do not have a right to enter the US.

How is this simple fact so far beyond the grasp of so many?

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Salmonburgher

The analogy was quite good.

But, why do you believe that aliens have a right to enter the US?

The simple fact is that aliens do not have a right to enter the US.

How is this simple fact so far beyond the grasp of so many?

Of course aliens have a right to enter the United States.




And the analogy was terrible.
Because, again, the United States doesn't close at 9PM

If some people have the right to be on the beach at 10PM, how do you determine if someone is on the beach illegally without due process?

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

That's not the exact analogy at all.

Unless the United States closes at 9PM. Which, it certainly does not.

The relevant point was not the closing time but the fact that the persons intercepted were not authorized to be there. Giving them a warning and letting them go free outside the unauthorized area (in the case of illegal entrants, outside the border) is not denial of due process, it's not entering into the process at all.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

The relevant point was not the closing time but the fact that the persons intercepted were not authorized to be there. Giving them a warning and letting them go free outside the unauthorized area (in the case of illegal entrants, outside the border) is not denial of due process, it's not entering into the process at all.

How do you know who is/isn't authorized to be there?

[Salmonburgher]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Of course aliens have a right to enter the United States.

If aliens have a right to enter the US, then why do we have an immigration law and border control?

I'm sorry, but, I need to ask... are you an adult?

Its extremely difficult to imagine that anyone could believe that aliens have a right to enter the US...

Aliens may be permitted entry. Entry is a privilege, always conditional.

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Of course aliens have a right to enter the United States.




And the analogy was terrible.
Because, again, the United States doesn't close at 9PM

If some people have the right to be on the beach at 10PM, how do you determine if someone is on the beach illegally without due process?

You clearly don't understand what an analogy is. It is a comparison of principles not an equality of details.

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

How do you know who is/isn't authorized to be there?

How do cops know you're authorized to drive a car when you get pulled over on the freeway?

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Salmonburgher

If aliens have a right to enter the US, then why do we have an immigration law and border control?

If aliens don't have a right to enter the US, then why do we have an immigration law and border control?

Its extremely difficult to imagine that anyone could believe that aliens have a right to enter the US...

Tourists are "aliens".
They (some of them) have the right to enter the united states.

Aliens may be permitted entry. Entry is a privilege, always conditional.

So, they they have the right to enter the United States?

I'm sorry, but, I need to ask... are you an adult?

And, I have to ask, are you an actual fish?

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

How do cops know you're authorized to drive a car when you get pulled over on the freeway?

That's an interesting question

They have to have cause to pull me over.

If I dispute that they have cause, they cannot check my ID without...due process