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not to mention all the 'other' federal agencies that have FEDERAL employees in California....200,000 FEDERAL employees (most making atleast 60k)...all that FEDERAL incomes and revenue that the FEDERAL government GIVES your state...these employees SPEND money in your state
This sentence is proof you have no idea what you're talking about.
The salaries of all those federal employees is included in federal government outlays.
Those employees pay federal income taxes just like everyone else. But, federal government employees are hardly the only employees who pay federal income taxes. Every waiter, tech employee, nurse, doctor, truck driver, etc etc also pays federal income taxes.
All those federal taxes paid by all those people, are greater than federal government spending in the state. Once again, 96 cents of outlays, vs 1 dollar of tax revenue.
The budgets of land owned by the federal government is included in federal outlays. The national parks service, the military, etc., are all part of the federal budget.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh I don't???
let's look at one
Fort Irwin (NTC- National Training Center) 5,000 permeant troops...with monthly rotations of about 4000 troops
48,000 troops rotating in..getting paid... spending their money in California..... annually...nearly a billion spent in cali
if Fort Irwin was to leave..and that FEDERAL money was to leave... California looses billions in money from THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Lol. Check out Oklahoma for further proof of the GOP’s economic policies...
I mean Wisconsin has to pay major employers to locate there....
The only thing that ever rescued Oklahoma from its fiscal mess from being one of the most poorly run states in the nation was the rising price of oil, which appears to be going on now. We'll see if earthquakes also spike.
Long story short, since 2010 MN adopted progressive economic policies while WI went the other direction with very conservative right-wing policies. Both states are very close to each other with similar climate and demographic; it couldn't be any better set for a showdown between liberals and conservatives' economic race. So who is better at job growth, employment, wage growth, and quality of life? If you've been paying attention, the answer will not surprise you - the liberals.
Also Wisconsin failed to heed the warning of what happens to states, such as Oklahoma, when they adopt Right to Work, along with other ill advised policies. In recent years, Oklahoma has had deficits not much under a billion dollars. Cutting state income tax along with oil production tax, while sales tax revenue was going down from the result of increasing online sales was mighty stupid. As for Right to Work, many manufacturing plants closed in Oklahoma, such as GM, even though adoption of Right to Work was cited by promoters to attract such jobs.
Fort Irwin (NTC- National Training Center) 5,000 permeant troops...with monthly rotations of about 4000 troops
48,000 troops rotating in..getting paid... spending their money in California..... annually...nearly a billion spent in cali
if Fort Irwin was to leave..and that FEDERAL money was to leave... California looses billions in money from THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
No, you still do not understand.
The payrolls of those troops, and the support personnel on the base, are INCLUDED in federal expenditures.
You're looking at the size of some federal government facilities in the state, and for some bizarre reason, you think that's the only thing that matters.
We're talking about NET taxes and outlays. The amount of taxes that the federal government receives from ALL the people and companies in California, EXCEEDS the amount of money the federal government spends in the state - including all the money spent at Fort Irwin. And Yosemite National Park. And Sequoia National Park. And Camp Pendleton. And .... EVERY federal government installation in the state.
The payrolls of those troops, and the support personnel on the base, are INCLUDED in federal expenditures.
You're looking at the size of some federal government facilities in the state, and for some bizarre reason, you think that's the only thing that matters.
We're talking about NET taxes and outlays. The amount of taxes that the federal government receives from ALL the people and companies in California, EXCEEDS the amount of money the federal government spends in the state - including all the money spent at Fort Irwin. And Yosemite National Park. And Sequoia National Park. And Camp Pendleton. And .... EVERY federal government installation in the state.
IF that was the case, then you would NOT HAVE states/cities like Watertown, NY saying that IF Fort Drum was to stay on the BRAC list it would kill the city/county/state, and petition to save the base to save the city/county and even state money
btw fort drum will possibly be on the list again...and NY is scared
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Scary because Fort Drum's yearly economic impact is more than a billion dollars.
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Oh, in addition to Minnesota-Wisconsin, you can also compare different metro areas in the South, four of them in fact.
Austin, Baton Rouge, Columbia SC, Raleigh-Durham.
Back in 1970, before the digital revolution, all four metros were of similar size. All are in the South or arguable South (similar levels of conservatism, climatology). All are state capitals. All are the hosts to their states flagship public universities. Yet, even as early as 15 years later, Austin and Raleigh-Durham - far and away the more liberal of these metros - had high growth fueled by a progressive-minded city establishment, implemented liberal policies on the local level despite being in conservative states, and proved open to ideas that even most of the Midwest considered unique, different, and downright weird. They also didn't care if the "new talent" coming in was markedly different from the locals. They also lobbied intensely for greater funding for education at their universities and it must be repeated did not care if the faculty deviated radically from the local norm in some way.
By the 90s, Austin and the NC Triangle clearly left the other two cities in the dust in every category imaginable - population, per capita income, education attainment, poverty rate, long-term unemployment trends, etc. So it seems that even in the South, the greatest growth still occurred in the least conservative areas even to begin with. Furthermore, they're all major centers of "tomorrow's technology today" kinds of industries - the very types of industries that enable a nation to have and sustain a first world standard of living, and even standards of military.
*Raleigh-Durham's not brought up much as progressive, but even as early as the McCarthyist early 1950s, UNC-Chapel Hill stood up to the conservative establishment by inviting a socialist speaker to campus. Note well this was also before the big Sunbelt surge.
IF that was the case, then you would NOT HAVE states/cities like Watertown, NY saying that IF Fort Drum was to stay on the BRAC list it would kill the city/county/state, and petition to save the base to save the city/county and even state money
btw fort drum will possibly be on the list again...and NY is scared
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it wasn't overly devastating.. but it was FEDERAL money the STATE lost
Fort Drum isn't in California. I'm not even sure why you brought it up.
Many in California would just LOVE it if they closed more military bases, because it would free up land for development for housing and offices. Last round of base closures in CA were generally met with applause. The redevelopment of the bases usually more than makes up for whatever economic activity was lost by the base closure itself. The El Toro Marine Corps Air Station and Santa Ana Marine Corps Air Station in Tustin are perfect examples.
There are some in California who have practically been BEGGING the Army to close Camp Pendleton because it would potentially open up a huge amount of land for development.
So once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
This point was crystallized by a new study from financial watchdog group Truth in Accounting, which just released its annual “Financial State of the States” report. The study found that “41 states do not have enough money to pay all of their bills, and, in total, the states have racked up over $1.5 trillion dollars in unfunded state debt.”
Not surprisingly, the Golden State did not fare well in the analysis, ranking 43rd in terms of debt per taxpayer, and comprising one of nine states to earn an “F” grade. “Repeated decisions by state officials have left the state with a staggering debt burden of $255.1 billion,” the report concluded. “That burden equates to $21,600 for every California taxpayer.”
California...ranked 43rd out of 50.... meaning there are 42 state that are doing better than the Golden state
when you look at federal money going to California...they get BILLIONS more, than they pay into the federal coffers
Before you embarrass yourself further, you should know that James is right, all the things you mentions are ALREADY INCLUDED in the federal spending. Seriously, WTF do you think people means when they say "federal spending"????? You actually thought it somehow does not includes services rendered to the state??? Really??!!
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