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No the GOP does well in the South because they are great at gerrymandering districts, using scare tactics to appeal to poor and uneducated whites, using religious brainwashing to keep people separated and voting against their own self interests. I am a southerner and don't agree with most of their platform.
I didn't mean to imply that all southerners are Republican voters. I thought it was clear that I am talking about the majority or plurality of voters.
I think if Democrats could win majority of middle class people in the suburbs in the south, it wouldn't need to do that well among poor white rural voters to become the majority party in the south.
By definition rural areas are sparsely populated. That is why I'm surprised to see so much commentary on this forum about rural white people.
If there are significant number of people of all income levels voting for GOP in the south, there doesn't seem to be a correlation between wealth and education and what party a person supports.
Looking at South Carolina 2016 presidential election results, it looks like Trump won all but two of the 22 counties with the highest per capita income.
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I would say Florida. Florida is a swing state, which means it is, almost by definition, less conservative/republican than staunch red states. The biggest reason that Florida is a swing state is due to a large Hispanic population and issues that Republican immigration policies cause with this demographic. If you are referring only to the “deep south”/”bible belt” group of Republican-dominated states that were once part of the Confederacy, then I would say Georgia.
North Carolina? I think the transgender bathroom bill controversy ruined the progressive reputation.
Virginia? Most likely Northern VA is more progressive than the rest of the state.
I would say Florida. Florida is a swing state, which means it is, almost by definition, less conservative/republican than staunch red states. The biggest reason that Florida is a swing state is due to a large Hispanic population and issues that Republican immigration policies cause with this demographic. If you are referring only to the “deep south”/”bible belt” group of Republican-dominated states that were once part of the Confederacy, then I would say Georgia.
Along with strong voter turnout and active Democratic campaigning.
Looking at South Carolina 2016 presidential election results, it looks like Trump won all but two of the 22 counties with the highest per capita income.
Charleston and Richland counties voted against Trump and are among the largest and most prosperous in the state, although certainly their level of well being (and voting patterns) vary a great deal between different sections. South Carolina is a bit unusual in that virtually every rural county in the state has a moderate to high minority (predominantly black) population, in a lot of cases higher than the state's metro counties. This is a key reason why unlike in many states, the most strongly Republican counties tend to be more suburban rather than rural.
The two neighboring states of Georgia and North Carolina are quite different. Trump lost Fulton, DeKalb, Cobb and Gwinnett in Georgia, plus Mecklenburg, Wake, Orange, Durham, Guilford and Forsyth in North Carolina among others. All of those counties have a great deal of diversity and above average incomes and shares of college graduates. That doesn't prove more affluent people are voting Democratic, but it does suggest the party performs better in more economically dynamic areas.
Charleston and Richland counties voted against Trump and are among the largest and most prosperous in the state, although certainly their level of well being (and voting patterns) vary a great deal between different sections. South Carolina is a bit unusual in that virtually every rural county in the state has a moderate to high minority (predominantly black) population, in a lot of cases higher than the state's metro counties. This is a key reason why unlike in many states, the most strongly Republican counties tend to be more suburban rather than rural.
The two neighboring states of Georgia and North Carolina are quite different. Trump lost Fulton, DeKalb, Cobb and Gwinnett in Georgia, plus Mecklenburg, Wake, Orange, Durham, Guilford and Forsyth in North Carolina among others. All of those counties have a great deal of diversity and above average incomes and shares of college graduates. That doesn't prove more affluent people are voting Democratic, but it does suggest the party performs better in more economically dynamic areas.
I believe Trump won the majority of the college educated white vote nationally. I don't think that would be any different for the southeast.
My brother lives in north ATL and I think DJT probably won a majority of the middle class people living there.
White college educated Republicans don't gravitate as much to big cites as college educated Democrats. I think the average college educated REpublican in the south prefers a metro about the size of Greenville or Columbia.
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Why is it that poor whites in the south usually vote GOP and poor blacks usually vote Democrat ?
Both are very conservative, but Blacks see the GOP as the party that does not support the black race. The same for poor whites there's no way the poor whites in the south feel like mainstream dems will support their cause either.
I'm talking about the middle class north atlanta suburbs. The boundaries of the counties don't match up with the areas that I'm discussing.
CLinton dominated in the areas of Atlanta with larger number of poor people.
Keep in mind that in the Atlanta metro, there are probably a higher number of Republican voters than several cities in SC combined.
They are outnumbered by Democratic voters but there are more Republicans.
Here's an example. Trump won the most populated county in SC (Greenville) with 60 percent of the vote (127,832 votes).
In Gwinett County, one of the north atlanta suburban areas, Trump won 146,989 votes but lost the county with 45 percent of the vote. So he won close to 20,000 more votes in Gwinett than the most populated county in SC that is considered one of the most conservative in the country.
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