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Old 07-01-2018, 12:55 AM
 
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They analyzed data from one state, Texas, which granted is a huge state with a fair number of illegals, but why did their conclusions only draw from a SINGLE year, 2015 even though they looked at Texas Dept of Public Safety data from 2011 to 2017?
Because Texas was only state to verifiably designate whether the criminal waws legal vs illegal.

So while you mayt question the study you should also be asking where Trumps gets his numbers.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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To even think that is absurd. Legals are vetted and the criminals are turned away. Whom is turning away the criminal illegals? Other illegals? lol

Illegals commit alot more crimes percentage wise than legals. On top of that when they commit crimes against other illegals which they do, those crimes are often not reported.

A grossly disproportionate share of federal prisoners – 22 percent – are aliens. Roughly 2/3 of these aliens were illegally in the country when they committed their crimes. So that’s over 14 percent of federal prisoners. Yet illegal aliens represent only 3-6 percent of the population.
75 percent of those on the most wanted criminals lists in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

More than 53 percent of burglaries investigated in the border region states of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are committed by illegal aliens.



The report, from the Crime Prevention Research Center, used a previously untapped set of data from Arizona that detailed criminal convictions and found that illegal immigrants between 15 and 35 are less than 3 percent of the state’s population, but nearly 8 percent of its prison population.

And the crimes they were convicted of were, on the whole, more serious, said John R. Lott Jr., the report’s author and president of the research center.


21% of those convicted of non-immigration crimes were non-citizens — 2.5 times their share of the population
Waiting for an open borders nut to say that Crime Prevention Research Center is a neo-Nazi hate group and all information from them is invalid...
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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https://www.cato.org/blog/white-hous...migrants-crime'

There are many studies. I linked to one that is conservative so I do not have to hear the grumbling.
sigh...


It's about illegal vs citizens from all states. Plus explain the high rate in prison.
The first report found that criminal aliens, both legal and illegal, make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population.

"The 2011 GAO report is more of the same. The criminal histories of 251,000 criminal aliens showed that they had committed close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, rape, burglary, and larceny.

Once again, these statistics are not fully representative of crimes committed by illegal aliens — this report only reflects the criminal histories of aliens who were in prison. If there were a way to include all crimes committed by criminal aliens, the numbers would likely be higher since prosecutors often drop criminal charges against an illegal alien if immigration authorities will deport the alien."

"CATO misread the data column because they didn’t check with the sheriff about whether it was pre-sentencing or post-sentencing data. In contrast, illegal aliens prior to sentencing are labeled as “non-U.S. citizen, NOT-deportable.”

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Old 07-01-2018, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Because Texas was only state to verifiably designate whether the criminal waws legal vs illegal.

So while you mayt question the study you should also be asking where Trumps gets his numbers.
See post #18. The data only bolsters the argument for strong immigration enforcement. Another gem from the Texas DPS:

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At this time, more than 25,000 incarcerated individuals have been identified as being in the country illegally, 10,218 of which were not identified through the PEP program at the time of their arrest. Over the course of their entire Texas criminal careers, these 10,218 individual identified as illegal aliens while in prison, were charged with more than 46,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,926 homicide charges; 5,498 assault charges; 3,621 burglary charges; 6,630 drug charges; 335 kidnapping charges; 2,673 theft charges; 3,694 obstructing police charges; 2,438 robbery charges; 2,938 sexual assault charges; and 1,571 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 25,000 convictions including 1,133 homicide convictions; 2,761 assault convictions; 1,970 burglary convictions; 3,906 drug convictions; 146 kidnapping convictions; 1,259 theft convictions; 1,678 obstructing police convictions; 1,622 robbery convictions; 1,873 sexual assault convictions; and 618 weapon convictions.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:03 AM
 
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sigh...

The Texas DPS data separately show the number of convictions and arrests of illegal and legal immigrants for 42 and 46 different crimes,

It's about illegal vs citizens
I have also multiple times today provided links showing immigrants vs. native. And the number get worse for native citizens,

I am tired of this game. Google it if you do not believe me.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Waiting for an open borders nut to say that Crime Prevention Research Center is a neo-Nazi hate group and all information from them is invalid...
Get rid of anchor baby citizenship and the welfare state and there would be alot less border problems.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have also multiple times today provided links showing immigrants vs. native. And the number get worse for native citizens,
You didn't directly respond to anything I posted.

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I am tired of this game. Google it if you do not believe me.
You playing a game IS the problem. Instead of googling why don't you look for the truth. You wont find it in the flawed Cato report.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Because Texas was only state to verifiably designate whether the criminal waws legal vs illegal.
No they didn't


"CATO misread the data column because they didn’t check with the sheriff about whether it was pre-sentencing or post-sentencing data. In contrast, illegal aliens prior to sentencing are labeled as “non-U.S. citizen, NOT-deportable.”

"But the issue isn’t non-citizens who are in this country legally, and who must abide by the law to avoid having their visas revoked or their application for citizenship refused. The real issue is the crimes committed by illegal aliens. And in that context, the claim is quite misleading, because both of these studies combine the crime rates of both citizens and non-citizens, legal and illegal."

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So while you mayt question the study you should also be asking where Trumps gets his numbers.
The same place you pull your numbers from.
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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You didn't directly respond to anything I posted.

You playing a game IS the problem. Instead of googling why don't you look for the truth. You wont find it in the flawed Cato report.
By looking at the slanted Cato report rather than going directly to the TDPS source, people can ignore that the TDPS report itself says the crime numbers for illegal aliens is UNDER counted! In their own report! It's amazing. In a 7-year study, for one year (2015), illegals committed way more murders than legal immigrants but not as many murders as the violent American gangbangers in Houston-Galveston. So with illegals one part of America got a bit less homicide but a bit more kidnapping. Oh boy. Is this them sending their best?
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Old 07-01-2018, 01:42 AM
 
Location: London
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Anyone who starts a wildfire either deliberately or through carelessness should forced to work at a morgue, preferably of burn victims and lung cancer patients.
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