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Do you support those kind of absurd controls on guns?
False equivalency is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. If you are a gun nut, and want to promote your right to bear arms, do it on its own terms. If your arguments are valid and convincing, they should stand on their own. Linking abortion and the right to bear arms is utterly silly, and undermines your position on guns. Who told you to do this? Don't listen to them next time.
There are still no anti-choice posters saying what they think should be done with all the unwanted babies women would be forced to bear if they got their way.
If guys think they have problems getting sex now, they might want to consider how much less they might get if women were forced to carry to term any unwanted conceptions. I am sixty-six and uninterested in sex now, but if I were young and knew I would be forced to give birth if my birth control failed, I would be much less inclined to take ANY chance of pregnancy by having sex at all, no matter how small or unlikely the chance may be—unless I were ready to have a child.
You cannot outlaw abortions, only legal abortions. They will happen regardless of any reactionary neanderthal laws to try to control women. The GOP needs to change its symbol from an elephant to a coat hanger.
If men would learn to keep their zippers up, we might not have a problem.
Other than in instances of actual rape.......
Men, for all their enthusiasm, don't "drop their zippers" without a woman's consent.
Unless she was raped, she didn't become pregnant "against her will".
Even in the case of BC failure, a responsible adult engages in sexual activity acknowledging that possiblity.
Don't want to get pregnant under any circumstances?
Don't have intercourse.
So you are okay if the bio dads were forced to raise the offspring? If you are going to force the woman to carry and bear the child, that seems fair to me.
Then we should enforce some common sense abortion controls, nobody is coming to take away anyone's abortion.
There are no common sense abortion controls. Common sense dictates that we allow each citizen the right to live according to their own self-determined values. To do otherwise is tyranny, and we don't do that in a free society.
Remember, these viewpoints are both valid to the individual holding them:
A fertilized egg is nothing more than 2 cells combined into a new cell that will one day become a human being. If I don't desire to one day be responsible for the human being this will become, but is not now, it is rational to remove it before the potential becomes realized. Abortion is the logical way to prevent the potential from being realized. And it is fine, because a fertilized egg is NOT a human life. There are no ethical issues to be considered, because a fertilized egg is not a human being.
OR
A fertilized egg is the hand of God creating new life. It is not Man's place to disturb this process, and abortion is a crime against God.
A free society is made up of many individuals each having his own set of values. No one's values are presumed to be intrinsically right. We therefore agree to live and let live. We agree not to impose our values on others.
Some people believe in a God and may choose to run their lives accordingly.
Some people do not believe in God and may choose to run their lives accordingly.
Some people believe abortion has no more ethical significance than killing an insect.
Some people believe that an embryo is an expression of God and is a human being now.
In a free society, no one is allowed to impose their religious beliefs on others. And atheism is just as valid as religion and must be respected to the same extent. Meaning not respected at all by the State.
So an ideal society? People who have strong opinions about the negativity of abortion don't have them and live their lives without them. People who have strong opinions that abortion is a perfectly valid means of birth control live their lives accordingly and have abortions when they need them.
Let's stay with the free society concept. Everyone can live according to their own personal values, without coercion and compulsion from those who have different views.
All cells are life. Not an argument. Have you ever jerked off? Of course you have. Maybe yesterday. All those dead sperm cells? Every one was alive, and was a potential human being. If they were found on Mars, you have my respect, but that's not important now. If they were found on Mars, they would not be miraculous, they would not be human beings, they would be: cells on Mars. That's it.
You are attempting to force your irrational views on others. Don't do that. Live your life, and only your life. Don't have an abortion if you don't want to.
It is a perfectly rational viewpoint to view a fertilized egg as of no more significance than a collection of cells. An insect is a collection of cells. A sperm cell is just that, and nothing more. A sperm cell is not a human, and is not half a human. An egg is not a human, and not half a human. A fertilized egg is not a human being, and won't be a human being for many months. While it remains in this state, it can be removed with no moral or ethical significance whatsoever.
That is a perfectly rational viewpoint.
If you don't agree with it, then you may conduct yourself according to your own viewpoint. So you might not permit yourself to have an abortion, and you might conduct your sexual activities in such a way as to eliminate the need for an abortion. Good. You are now a moral and rational member of society. Live your life to your standards, and leave others to do the same.
I am not attempting to force my views on anyone.
As I have previously stated in this and other threads on the subject, I take a Libertarian stance on abortion.
Meaning that just because I think it's abhorrent doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal....at least not completely anyways.
However, that doesn't mean that I can't or won't express my opinion on the morality of it.
Especially when people are using irrational and downright illogical thought processes to justify ending another human life to themselves.
I think if more people were really honest with themselves about what they are doing, we wouldn't need laws about it.
And I support gun ownership for some because the poetic justice/irony when they accidentally shoot themselves always cracks me up. It’s like hearing about the guy who loses a finger every year while annoying neighbors with his firecrackers.
So you are okay if the bio dads were forced to raise the offspring? If you are going to force the woman to carry and bear the child, that seems fair to me.
We already force bio Dads to help pay for raising the child.
And like I've said repeatedly, I'm not advocating forcing anyone to do anything.
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