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Men trying to impose their say on women's bodies are stuck in the middle ages and suffer from self confidence issues, whether they want to admit or not. Only explanation for those trying to control the opposite sex in such a matter that has zero effect on themselves.
Any woman ever tried to pass any sort of similar law on men would be laughed out of the room.
You act as if only men are pro life . Many women are as well. Trying to pretend that the concern of pro lifers is with women's vaginas is dishonest . The concern from both men and women pro lifers is what they consider a separate life within the woman . To avoid this and pretend it is some fetish about the woman's equipment is pure dishonesty.
Roe v Wade isn't going away. But the pro choice crowd cannot debate the matter honestly and have to always resort to portraying people concerned about the termination of a fetus as some sort of sexual weirdos . It doesn't say much for the pro choice crowd that this is the favored tactic instead of honest debate about the fetus itself .
I'm just talking about common sense abortion controls that all Americans agree on, what's not reasonable about that?
Meaning US citizens, right? If all citizens had agreed on this before Roe, legislation presumably would have moved through Congress to regulate abortion @ the national level. (Every state had an abortion statute by 1900 CE, by the way.) So Congress could have acted, for 73 years or so. Apparently there was no real concern about the issue - or perhaps the states were pleased not to have to deal with the issue, & people with resources could simply shop around for a convenient venue.
The people who got mangled in the wheels of individual state's justice were, of course, likely the very same set of people who are concerned now about trying to turn back the clock on Roe. I expect it won't happen without a massive fight, & I further expect that the GOP will go down in flames in the aftermath, even if Roe is overturned or severely curtailed. A kind of Pyrrhic victory, I'm sure - & quite appropriate.
Nobody is coming to take away anyone's abortion, we just want common sense abortion controls to make this country safer and to protect children.
Ah, well, there you'll have to overturn Roe completely. As it stands, Roe talks about the fetus, instead of the child. & as the fetus isn't recognized as a legal person until it's viable & born, there's no protection involved for the fetus - nor is there any child until it's born.
Maybe so, but abortion advocates always seem to want to use these types of extreme examples in order to justify the far more common run of the mill baby killing on demand for convenience.
Same goes for instances of pregnancy due to rape etc.
Exceptions to the rule don't disprove the rule.
It is perfectly acceptable to have an abortion for any personal reason you can fathom, including convenience. If one wants to prevent a future life, then abortion is the simple medical procedure to make that happen. A woman has the right to decide on whether and when to bring new life into the world. Unless she is your wife or girlfriend, or someone else who asks your opinion, you have absolutely nothing to say about it.
To claim that you do have input into a stranger’s exercise of this right means you are imposing your religious beliefs, and they ARE religious beliefs, on others. That, my friend is Sharia. Forcing other free citizens to bend to your will, no matter how irrational. Don’t do that. Not in my free country. #handsoutofmyvagine
You act as if only men are pro life . Many women are as well. Trying to pretend that the concern of pro lifers is with women's vaginas is dishonest . The concern from both men and women pro lifers is what they consider a separate life within the woman . To avoid this and pretend it is some fetish about the woman's equipment is pure dishonesty.
Roe v Wade isn't going away. But the pro choice crowd cannot debate the matter honestly and have to always resort to portraying people concerned about the termination of a fetus as some sort of sexual weirdos . It doesn't say much for the pro choice crowd that this is the favored tactic instead of honest debate about the fetus itself .
Then the women are stupid.
If you don't believe in abortions, don't ever have one. Just because you don't support them, doesn't mean you have any right to tell others they can't. It's their bodies, not yours. It's not like the pro-life people are going to adopt all these kids.
Why should those pro-choice continue to speak nicely about this? It's not like any sane person ever wants to get an abortion and there is going to be an emotional toll that stays with the woman having one done. It's a tough choice that the woman will have to make, society doesn't have to shame her even more.
Conservatives espouse small government and the government not telling people what they can do with their bodies. So why is it time and time again it's the conservatives trying to restrict a persons options in regard to their own person?
We have 16.2 million children in this country, the self proclaimed greatest country on earth, who go to bed at night without access to enough decent food. If pro-life people gave up trying to control other people and focused that energy on making sure those kids got enough food, we'd probably be able to solve that issue in a couple years. We throw away enough food on a yearly basis to solve world hunger.
Sooooo you're saying that the government should have no right to regulate abortions in any way?
Current law - Roe - already balances the pregnant woman's right to privacy & the state's responsibility to concern itself about the potential of another newborn, & eventually another citizen. Go back & read Roe - that's the controlling law now - & that's what you're proposing here in the OP that we change or reverse, or something.
If you don't believe in abortions, don't ever have one. Just because you don't support them, doesn't mean you have any right to tell others they can't. It's their bodies, not yours. It's not like the pro-life people are going to adopt all these kids.
Why should those pro-choice continue to speak nicely about this? It's not like any sane person ever wants to get an abortion and there is going to be an emotional toll that stays with the woman having one done. It's a tough choice that the woman will have to make, society doesn't have to shame her even more.
Conservatives espouse small government and the government not telling people what they can do with their bodies. So why is it time and time again it's the conservatives trying to restrict a persons options in regard to their own person?
We have 16.2 million children in this country, the self proclaimed greatest country on earth, who go to bed at night without access to enough decent food. If pro-life people gave up trying to control other people and focused that energy on making sure those kids got enough food, we'd probably be able to solve that issue in a couple years.
Debating abortion is a worthless exercise in futility . I just point out that the pretense that pro lifers are all men with a weird fetish about women's bodies is pure BS. The pro choice crowd never wants the debate framed around the fetus, because focusing on the fetus is always going to be a losing tactic for them . So they have invented this silly arse angle that everyone concerned about terminating a fetus is just a sexual weirdo trying to control women's vaginas . Why not just discuss the facts of terminating a fetus and the ethical considerations of such ? Is that too hard ?
Then we should enforce some common sense abortion controls, nobody is coming to take away anyone's abortion.
Except the Right is trying to take away a woman's right to abort......by putting onerous restrictions in place that make it virtually impossible for a woman to exercise her right to abort.
If the Right is good with that approach they should have no problem with restrictions being put in place that make it virtually impossible to obtain and own firearms.
Roe will likely revert to the same restrictions which existed in its early years, but not be fully reversed. All it will take is a few cases regarding restrictions reaching SC in 2019 or for the next 25 years, to see the early post Roe years restrictions come back.
It would be wise for pro abortion at any time folks not to challenge local restrictions, but they will likely not be smart enough to do so.
There are abortion rights activists that advocate the "right to choose" right up until delivery.
That's a bit extreme.....but to me, anything after the first trimester and most certainly after the second, had better be to save the life of the mother.
There really isn't any valid excuse to wait that long for any other reason.
Not only is it more gruesome, it's more dangerous to the mother as well.
Name those "abortion rights advocates" please.
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