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As I have previously stated in this and other threads on the subject, I take a Libertarian stance on abortion.
Meaning that just because I think it's abhorrent doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal....at least not completely anyways.
However, that doesn't mean that I can't or won't express my opinion on the morality of it.
Especially when people are using irrational and downright illogical thought processes to justify ending another human life to themselves.
I think if more people were really honest with themselves about what they are doing, we wouldn't need laws about it.
You won’t ever have to worry about being in that position, will you? It’s really easy to tell women to go without sex—are you advocating that men do go without as well. How many husbands are willing to do that? If I were not inclined to give up sex, if abortion were bannned, I would have a hysterectomy and give up the idea of children completely rather than be forced to carry and bear an unwanted child.
You may consider an embryo as a human life, and that is your right, but not everyone does. Most women who have abortions don’t go through the procedure lightly. You still haven’t offered any answer as to what should be done with unwanted children.
How many of the millions of abortions every year fit that scenario?
Fact is, that the vast majority of abortions are preformed due to people not being willing to accept the consequences of their irresponsible behavior.
You don't mean people you mean women so say it like it is. What is irresponsible behavior? The woman who gets pregnant or the penis that put it there? Then why would the woman carry the blame for all of it? I'm ready to hear your rebuttal.
In 2014 over 600,000 abortions were performed in the United States and with the recent revelation that we'll be getting a new and likely conservative justice added to the court the left has become concerned about the possible overturning of Roe vs Wade. There's talk of the SCOTUS outlawing abortion or possibly throwing the issue back to the states.
Nobody wants to take away your abortions ladies, we just want some common sense abortion controls. I mean, why would so many of these people actually need an abortion? Can't we come to some sort of compromise? Perhaps we could eliminate abortions for anyone who's had an abortion before? What about strict background checks for anyone seeking an abortion? What about closing the Planned Parenthood loophole? These seem like common sense abortion controls that everyone should be able to support right?
Those are the same types of questions we ask about gun control.
As I have previously stated in this and other threads on the subject, I take a Libertarian stance on abortion.
Meaning that just because I think it's abhorrent doesn't mean that I think it should be illegal....at least not completely anyways.
However, that doesn't mean that I can't or won't express my opinion on the morality of it.
Especially when people are using irrational and downright illogical thought processes to justify ending another human life to themselves.
I think if more people were really honest with themselves about what they are doing, we wouldn't need laws about it.
"At least not completely anyways" is an unacceptable equivocation. If you are Libertarian on abortion, than you must leave it to be legal 100% and without conditions, limitations, exclusions, or other door-opening methodologies that would permit you to impose your religion on others.
There is nothing illogical about the position that a fertilized egg is NOT a human being. You may "feel" that it is wrong, but that is exactly what it is, a feeling. Feelings are not a tool of cognition. Reason is the ONLY tool of cognition.
Still, you are entitled to feel that abortion is wrong. In which case, simple solution: If you are a man, don't have recreational sex outside the covenant of marriage. If you are a woman, don't have recreational sex outside the covenant of marriage. If pregnancy results from procreational sex, enjoy the baby. If accidental pregnancy results from recreational sex, suck it up and: enjoy the baby. All perfectly good, you ran your life according to your standards and when you die, you can apply for a gold star.
But, do not tell others how to live or when to bring a new human into the world, or not to bring a new human into the world. That's not your call. Don't do that. It's called Sharia Law when we impose our values on others against their will. We don't do that in a free society. So don't even suggest it.
Within the first trimester, that's up to you and your conscience.
You and others keep confusing my personal beliefs on the subject as my wanting to ban all abortions even after I have repeatedly stated otherwise.
Why is that?
Could it be that Liberals have no problem forcing their beliefs on others through legislation , so they expect that everyone else does too?
Within any trimester, it is up to a person and their values. The fact that you want to control it in the 2nd trimester means exactly that. You want to control abortion. Just admit it. Don't play games. You have an agenda, just put your cards on the table.
In 2014 over 600,000 abortions were performed in the United States and with the recent revelation that we'll be getting a new and likely conservative justice added to the court the left has become concerned about the possible overturning of Roe vs Wade. There's talk of the SCOTUS outlawing abortion or possibly throwing the issue back to the states.
Nobody wants to take away your abortions ladies, we just want some common sense abortion controls. I mean, why would so many of these people actually need an abortion? Can't we come to some sort of compromise? Perhaps we could eliminate abortions for anyone who's had an abortion before? What about strict background checks for anyone seeking an abortion? What about closing the Planned Parenthood loophole? These seem like common sense abortion controls that everyone should be able to support right?
So...people with criminal records should be the ones having kids??
On what planet is this considered "common sense"...?
Look, I get that this is really a thread about guns, but do better.
So...people with criminal records should be the ones having kids??
On what planet is this considered "common sense"...?
Perhaps the background check could be used for abortion registration purposes. How else could the gov track who has had too many abortions?
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