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We keep military bases around the world to make sure the fight stays on foreign soil. Every incursion into the Middle East has been under the banner of “fight them over there instead of over here”. If you think we have bases all over the world to protect the nations they’re in, you’re naive in the extreme. Overseas bases are ALL about the projection of the US military around the world.
This is true. But too be honest, one of Osama Bin Laden's biggest reasons for his attack on 9/11 was U.S. troops on the horn of Africa.
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Almost every bullet, every drone, every plane, and every soldier has gone in to Iraq and Afghanistan through Ramstein. Image if we had to pack that up and go home.
Get real.
It has been far more than Ramstein.
Closing our bases overseas would then just channel our military into ICBM's and bombers (do we want to go there?), the entire Navy, and focused rapid deployment forces.
Our foreign allies certianly benefit greatly from U.S. bases in their lands. They can certianly help pay the cost.
Look, NATO guidelines encourage all members to spend 2 percent of their respective country’s GDP on their own military defense, so that each member can defend itself to a certain degree without relying too often on pooled NATO forces and equipment. In 2014, NATO leaders came to an agreement that members who spend under that 2 percent benchmark are to work towards reaching that goal within a decade.
So, it is NOT America who came up with this rule, agreement is agreement, period. It is not about taking sides either.
So if you guys want our troops to go home, you need to talk to ALL members of the NATOS. Come up with a new agreement and follow the rule.
Simple as that.
You're going to presume to lecture the world about "agreements" when your chosen orangeness has broken any number of them since taking office?
Look, NATO guidelines encourage all members to spend 2 percent of their respective country’s GDP on their own military defense, so that each member can defend itself to a certain degree without relying too often on pooled NATO forces and equipment. In 2014, NATO leaders came to an agreement that members who spend under that 2 percent benchmark are to work towards reaching that goal within a decade.
So, it is NOT America who came up with this rule, agreement is agreement, period. It is not about taking sides either.
So if you guys want our troops to go home, you need to talk to ALL members of the NATOS. Come up with a new agreement and follow the rule.
Simple as that.
It's a guideline or encouragement as you point out in your post.
It is not a stipulation and is in relation to 2024.
Trump is the one moaning about how much you pay when in fact only a tiny persentage of your defence budget is spent on Europe and only 5% of Active US Service Personnel are based in Europe.
I am indifferent about it, but if you want to go, then close ALL your bases, most of which are in relation to intelligence, lofistics, medical support, naval support etc in relation to the wider region and areas such as the Middle East and North Africa, the Med., the Atlantic routes to the US, the Arctic and of course Russia and even parts of Asia.
A lot of the bases in the UK are intelligence bases, run by the NSA/NRA and other shadowy US Agencies.
The bases don't belong to the US, and you can't pay rent on something you own.
Don't like it, then leave.
There is a reason that they are referred to as US Visiting Forces.
Please, let's get real here, shall we?
no matter how messed up anyone considers the US right now, the other countries really don’t mind the strongest military in the world having a base in their country. Leaving Duerto aside and the occasional populist opposition to having bases in their country, in reality most countries are fundamentally ok with having bases there. It keeps them from having to spend on their own military and deters someone from invading it.
The bases in Germany are leftover from post WWII. If Germany really, truly wanted them out they’d have been out a long time ago.
American people don't want bases in Germany, Regular Germans don't want us there. I agree
But German government might have a different opinion. Talk to your own government if you want to kick us out. Until then, shut up or pay up.
no matter how messed up anyone considers the US right now, the other countries really don’t mind the strongest military in the world having a base in their country. Leaving Duerto aside and the occasional populist opposition to having bases in their country, in reality most countries are fundamentally ok with having bases there. It keeps them from having to spend on their own military and deters someone from invading it.
The bases in Germany are leftover from post WWII. If Germany really, truly wanted them out they’d have been out a long time ago.
American people don't want bases in Germany, Regular Germans don't want us there. I agree
But German government might have a different opinion. Talk to your own government if you want to kick us out. Until then, shut up or pay up.
So.. How much of US military spending is spent on NATO?
Please answer us this lilyflower, since you are the most fanatical one about this.
The US Military is Global.. how much of the 3.2% is spent on NATO, IN EUROPE?
NATO has agreed to ramp up its spending from 2014 to 2024, and set a 2% goal.. Is the US spending 2% of its GDP defending NATO in Europe?
NATO spent 3-5% of GDP during the Cold War.. then spending dropped when Soviet Union collapsed.. even the US military spending. Then 9/11 happened, ALL NATO countries stepped up and helped the US in Afghanistan. The US is the ONLY country that has ever enacted article 5... the US ramped up its military spending to fight goat herders in Afghanistan and Iraq. Wasting 8-10 TRILLION Dollars blowing up hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians during the last 15 years.
Who benefits from the US leaving NATO : Putin
Who benefits from the US leaving bases in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from the US criticizing its allies in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from the US imposing tariffs on its allies in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from a divide from the 70+ years of agreements the US and Europe has negotiated : Putin
Who benefits from Trump gutting the FBI, the DOJ, the NSA, the CIA : Putin
and you are like, YES, finally somebody stands up to our "allies".. those scum, taking advantage of us. Somehow..
So.. How much of US military spending is spent on NATO? Please answer us this lilyflower, since you are the most fanatical one about this.
The US Military is Global.. how much of the 3.2% is spent on NATO, IN EUROPE?
NATO has agreed to ramp up its spending from 2014 to 2024, and set a 2% goal.. Is the US spending 2% of its GDP defending NATO in Europe?
NATO spent 3-5% of GDP during the Cold War.. then spending dropped when Soviet Union collapsed.. even the US military spending. Then 9/11 happened, ALL NATO countries stepped up and helped the US in Afghanistan. The US is the ONLY country that has ever enacted article 5... the US ramped up its military spending to fight goat herders in Afghanistan and Iraq. Wasting 8-10 TRILLION Dollars blowing up hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians during the last 15 years.
Who benefits from the US leaving NATO : Putin
Who benefits from the US leaving bases in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from the US criticizing its allies in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from the US imposing tariffs on its allies in Europe : Putin
Who benefits from a divide from the 70+ years of agreements the US and Europe has negotiated : Putin
Who benefits from Trump gutting the FBI, the DOJ, the NSA, the CIA : Putin
and you are like, YES, finally somebody stands up to our "allies".. those scum, taking advantage of us. Somehow..
Sad bunch!
I have to think about how to answer your question.
But I don't believe your question has anything to do with the point I was making.
Allright.. answer this: The US Military is Global.. how much of the 3.2% is spent on NATO, IN EUROPE?
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