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Old 07-25-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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What's wrong with raising your kids to be a boy or girl depending on their bodies, who can wear or do whatever pleases them? Then when they're older, if they end up with any gender issues, they can keep on wearing/doing whatever they want and deal with the private bits as they see fit? That won't be an issue in the vast majority of cases, so I don't see the point in making everyone focus on the outlier issue.

I was born in the late 60s, graduated high school in 1985. I was a tomboy (as it was called in the day). Like even as a very small child I liked all things stereotyped as boy things. I was also interested in some more girly things, like my mom taught me to sew and cook. But a big chunk of my life was a struggle to be allowed to do and be who I wanted to be. I was constantly told by adults and other children that I wanted to be a boy, I was called lesbian (yes, even as a child), I was called weird and wrong.


I shudder to think what would happen to me if I'd been born now. I was never confused about my gender, and I am pretty hard on the heterosexual end of the scale. I can only imagine the well-meaning adults who might try to convince me otherwise. I never wanted to be a boy, I just wanted the privilege and freedom I saw them having to do the things that I liked.

I'm glad that society is becoming more aware of how limiting gender roles can be to individuals. Let's not go crazy, though, eh? lol
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Old 07-25-2018, 04:58 PM
 
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No one is saying that.

No one is suggesting that.

The idea is to let them be who they are and not pressure them to be something they feel uncomfortable with. All of the stuff in your post is just your fantasy.

I recommend reading Becoming Nicole by Amy Ellis Nutt.
If no one is suggesting that, why is it a GENDER movement?

How about: Let the kids play with what they want.

See? No mention of boy/girl. Easy peasy.
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Old 07-25-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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How are you supposed to explain this to the school or Doctor? My child doesn't have a gender or we are waiting for them to decide. I really dislike this non gender movement.
Doctors might want to know a child's sex, but they are not interested in "gender".
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Old 07-25-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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Doctors might want to know a child's sex, but they are not interested in "gender".
And that went over 95% of people's heads. I've pretty much given up on explaining the difference.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:38 PM
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What's wrong with raising your kids to be a boy or girl depending on their bodies, who can wear or do whatever pleases them? Then when they're older, if they end up with any gender issues, they can keep on wearing/doing whatever they want and deal with the private bits as they see fit? That won't be an issue in the vast majority of cases, so I don't see the point in making everyone focus on the outlier issue.

I was born in the late 60s, graduated high school in 1985. I was a tomboy (as it was called in the day). Like even as a very small child I liked all things stereotyped as boy things. I was also interested in some more girly things, like my mom taught me to sew and cook. But a big chunk of my life was a struggle to be allowed to do and be who I wanted to be. I was constantly told by adults and other children that I wanted to be a boy, I was called lesbian (yes, even as a child), I was called weird and wrong.


I shudder to think what would happen to me if I'd been born now. I was never confused about my gender, and I am pretty hard on the heterosexual end of the scale. I can only imagine the well-meaning adults who might try to convince me otherwise. I never wanted to be a boy, I just wanted the privilege and freedom I saw them having to do the things that I liked.

I'm glad that society is becoming more aware of how limiting gender roles can be to individuals. Let's not go crazy, though, eh? lol
Ditto!!! Except I graduated high school in 1976.

I was also and... still am a tomboy. But definitely a heterosexual tomboy. My best friends were guys, I hated makeup and high heels. I lived in t-shirts, blue jeans and comfortable sneakers. I love driving stick shift. If I was a child today, some might wonder if I was a transgender. However, I was a happy girl, just not a girly girl.

We ought to let children just be what their bodies say they are and not complicate matters. And BTW just because a teen girl has a string of bad boyfriends, doesn't mean that she should give up and only date girls. And vice versa.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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Doctors might want to know a child's sex, but they are not interested in "gender".
Indeed. Leave that to the grammarians.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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Doctors might want to know a child's sex, but they are not interested in "gender".
There is no difference. Reality is reality. If you have a penis and you think you are a girl, that is REALITY dysphoria. Sex and gender are one. You cannot change your sex, or your gender. You can pretend you are a woman if your sex is male, but it is an existential lie. You can mutiliate your body with chemical invasion and grotesque surgeries, but nothing changes. You are what you were born. This needs to be treated as what it is: a psychiatric condition. A disassociative disorder. Bruce Jenner was born a man, Bruce Jenner is now a man, and the casket Bruce Jenner is buried in will contain the body of a man.

Therefore, permitting and encouraging existential confusion in small children by failing to guide them properly into accepting the REALITY of their sex and gender is a form of child abuse. Outside of direct molestation, I can’t think of too many things you can do to a kid that are more evil.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Ditto!!! Except I graduated high school in 1976.

I was also and... still am a tomboy. But definitely a heterosexual tomboy. My best friends were guys, I hated makeup and high heels. I lived in t-shirts, blue jeans and comfortable sneakers. I love driving stick shift. If I was a child today, some might wonder if I was a transgender. However, I was a happy girl, just not a girly girl.

We ought to let children just be what their bodies say they are and not complicate matters. And BTW just because a teen girl has a string of bad boyfriends, doesn't mean that she should give up and only date girls. And vice versa.
Maybe, if only to say "Well I'm not like that"... That said girls wearing jeans and even t-shirts is surprisingly normal today. Today I think interests make the tomboy, not the clothing choices.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Ditto!!! Except I graduated high school in 1976.

I was also and... still am a tomboy. But definitely a heterosexual tomboy. My best friends were guys, I hated makeup and high heels. I lived in t-shirts, blue jeans and comfortable sneakers. I love driving stick shift. If I was a child today, some might wonder if I was a transgender. However, I was a happy girl, just not a girly girl.

We ought to let children just be what their bodies say they are and not complicate matters. And BTW just because a teen girl has a string of bad boyfriends, doesn't mean that she should give up and only date girls. And vice versa.
This is correct. Especially since the suicide rate for transgenders is in excess of 33%, both for those who have the surgery, and those that do not.

It is a tragic psychiatric condition, a dissociative disorder, a break from cognitive and psychological connection with reality, requiring compassionate medical treatment. Pushing a child toward this possibility is utterly ghastly.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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And that went over 95% of people's heads. I've pretty much given up on explaining the difference.
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Doctors might want to know a child's sex, but they are not interested in "gender".
They are the same. if they were not the same, then why is it when someone "feels" they are a woman, then they go get the surgery to make them appear female? And dress as such also?

Same with when a woman "feels" they are a man, they go and make all efforts to look the stereotype, including surgery.

Female and woman are one in the same, same with male and man.
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