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Old 07-25-2018, 06:22 AM
 
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Well crap, now I am confused. I thought Trump was elected to promote Capitalism over Socialist type programs. Are people lying again?
No you just can't have it your way, it seems you think this is Burger King.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:28 AM
 
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No you just can't have it your way, it seems you think this is Burger King.
So this isn't Capitalism? Why do we pretend it is?
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:37 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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I have no idea what Trump is for, but in this case he is for american steel over american consumers and now rural votes over american taxpayers.
The negative outcomes of Trumps interventions, require more interventions, and in effect replacing market controls with state controls, this is socialism.
If Trump is a capitalist he is a lapsed one

Don't feel bad...…. NO ONE in his administration has a clue to what THAT INSANE LUNATIC stands for, because as he said it himself " he stands for nothing!" The imbecile has no policy, whatsoever!


Whoever he talks to last can change his mind from 15 minutes ago, and anyone can sway the NUT-JOB-MORON with flattery!
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:38 AM
 
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Well crap, now I am confused. I thought Trump was elected to promote Capitalism over Socialist type programs. Are people lying again?

There is a lot to be confused about. For instance, many conservatives were against Obama's bail-out of the auto industry. Many, including myself, were all for it, since GM and Chrysler not only employed many Americans, but there were hundreds of thousands of other jobs reliant on the industry. I also argued that, in case of war, we need the auto makers production lines to quickly produce military trucks, etc.



Now, farmers have been receiving government subsidies for decades. I am not really 'against' such, since we need farms to produce food. Of course, it is a complicated issue, and many view with suspicion the program that pays farmers to not plant certain crops.



Now, the farmers are in trouble due to the Trump tariffs. If the tariffs had not been imposed (including, of course, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries), then this bailout would not be necessary.



Yet, I do not want to see the farmers go down the sink. On the news I read about some farmers that are hoping to 'bite the bullet' for a while, hoping that Mr. Trump knows what he is doing.



Yet, does he know what he is doing? He tweeted yesterday something about how his goal is absolutely no tariffs whatsoever. However, since we cannot compete with other countries in many ways, such as matching their low wages, wouldn't that mean we would again be at a disadvantage? We did have (as did other countries) some tariffs on certain products, to protect local farmers, manufacturers and such.



It does not make sense. Meanwhile, China is making deals with Brazil and other countries to obtain soybeans, while other countries are likewise making trade deals that omit the United States.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:49 AM
 
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There is a lot to be confused about. For instance, many conservatives were against Obama's bail-out of the auto industry. Many, including myself, were all for it, since GM and Chrysler not only employed many Americans, but there were hundreds of thousands of other jobs reliant on the industry. I also argued that, in case of war, we need the auto makers production lines to quickly produce military trucks, etc.
I was against it also. We had a system in place to address this. Airlines have went through bankruptcy many times. It was a lie to say that they would be out of business if they went through a bankruptcy.

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Now, farmers have been receiving government subsidies for decades. I am not really 'against' such, since we need farms to produce food. Of course, it is a complicated issue, and many view with suspicion the program that pays farmers to not plant certain crops.
Not Capitalism, which so many claim our economic system is.

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Now, the farmers are in trouble due to the Trump tariffs. If the tariffs had not been imposed (including, of course, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries), then this bailout would not be necessary.
Tariffs are not Capitalism which so many claim out economic system is.

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Yet, I do not want to see the farmers go down the sink. On the news I read about some farmers that are hoping to 'bite the bullet' for a while, hoping that Mr. Trump knows what he is doing.
Is not going out of business when you are not profitable exactly what Capitalism is?

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Yet, does he know what he is doing? He tweeted yesterday something about how his goal is absolutely no tariffs whatsoever. However, since we cannot compete with other countries in many ways, such as matching their low wages, wouldn't that mean we would again be at a disadvantage? We did have (as did other countries) some tariffs on certain products, to protect local farmers, manufacturers and such.
No, he does not know what he is doing.

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It does not make sense. Meanwhile, China is making deals with Brazil and other countries to obtain soybeans, while other countries are likewise making trade deals that omit the United States.
I'm also suppose to believe China and Russia are the enemy of Capitalism even though they are actually working closer along the lines of Capitalism. I have long supported working with all countries as opposed to showing how tough we are by butting heads.
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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There is a lot to be confused about. For instance, many conservatives were against Obama's bail-out of the auto industry. Many, including myself, were all for it, since GM and Chrysler not only employed many Americans, but there were hundreds of thousands of other jobs reliant on the industry. I also argued that, in case of war, we need the auto makers production lines to quickly produce military trucks, etc.



Now, farmers have been receiving government subsidies for decades. I am not really 'against' such, since we need farms to produce food. Of course, it is a complicated issue, and many view with suspicion the program that pays farmers to not plant certain crops.



Now, the farmers are in trouble due to the Trump tariffs. If the tariffs had not been imposed (including, of course, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries), then this bailout would not be necessary.



Yet, I do not want to see the farmers go down the sink. On the news I read about some farmers that are hoping to 'bite the bullet' for a while, hoping that Mr. Trump knows what he is doing.



Yet, does he know what he is doing? He tweeted yesterday something about how his goal is absolutely no tariffs whatsoever. However, since we cannot compete with other countries in many ways, such as matching their low wages, wouldn't that mean we would again be at a disadvantage? We did have (as did other countries) some tariffs on certain products, to protect local farmers, manufacturers and such.



It does not make sense. Meanwhile, China is making deals with Brazil and other countries to obtain soybeans, while other countries are likewise making trade deals that omit the United States.
nah, all your market interventions were as wrong and unnecessary as Trumps. Go sit in the economic dunce corner with Trump.
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:08 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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There is a lot to be confused about. For instance, many conservatives were against Obama's bail-out of the auto industry. Many, including myself, were all for it, since GM and Chrysler not only employed many Americans, but there were hundreds of thousands of other jobs reliant on the industry. I also argued that, in case of war, we need the auto makers production lines to quickly produce military trucks, etc.



Now, farmers have been receiving government subsidies for decades. I am not really 'against' such, since we need farms to produce food. Of course, it is a complicated issue, and many view with suspicion the program that pays farmers to not plant certain crops.



Now, the farmers are in trouble due to the Trump tariffs. If the tariffs had not been imposed (including, of course, the retaliatory tariffs by other countries), then this bailout would not be necessary.



Yet, I do not want to see the farmers go down the sink. On the news I read about some farmers that are hoping to 'bite the bullet' for a while, hoping that Mr. Trump knows what he is doing.



Yet, does he know what he is doing? He tweeted yesterday something about how his goal is absolutely no tariffs whatsoever. However, since we cannot compete with other countries in many ways, such as matching their low wages, wouldn't that mean we would again be at a disadvantage? We did have (as did other countries) some tariffs on certain products, to protect local farmers, manufacturers and such.



It does not make sense. Meanwhile, China is making deals with Brazil and other countries to obtain soybeans, while other countries are likewise making trade deals that omit the United States.

Come on....we are talking about a NO-IQ IMBECILE, who has no policy about ANYTHING, refuses to listen to advisers/experts, because he thinks he's the smartest person in the room! He wants to run the government like the Trump Organization with no one to answer to, and so far the BRAINLESS IDIOTS on Capital Hill have been allowing him to totally ignore all protocol and do exactly that!
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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Come on....we are talking about a NO-IQ IMBECILE, who has no policy about ANYTHING, refuses to listen to advisers/experts, because he thinks he's the smartest person in the room! He wants to run the government like the Trump Organization with no one to answer to, and so far the BRAINLESS IDIOTS on Capital Hill have been allowing him to totally ignore all protocol and do exactly that!
For the record, when it comes to business and trade, the smartest people in the room are the owners/people running the co. (i.e.not politicians, advisers or other assorted political opportunists)
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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For the record, when it comes to business and trade, the smartest people in the room are the owners/people running the co. (i.e.not politicians, advisers or other assorted political opportunists)
So, the best people to impose new taxes are the business people like Trump. I disagree, and the bail-outs prove me correct.
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Marquette, Mich
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Look on the bright side. All the money that was being stolen from the taxpayers by illegals can now be used to assist Americans in need. Hopefully the money will aid them in hiring Americans to work for them. There are still Americans willing to work hard. Maybe they will have to pay them more money, but the aid will help to take care of that.

The administration is pouring money into housing separated children. Are those the "illegals" you are referring to?
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