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In order to dismantle white supremacy. Blacks will need to dismantle all forms of government that came out of Europe including collectivist socialist ideologies such as communism and socialism. Blacks must reject Jesus and Christianity, blacks must reject race mixing, blacks must reject all forms of European language, and last reject European economic systems. All of these must be met in order to dismantle white supremacy.
Nearly everything you mentioned above has nothing to do with dismantling white supremacy - the ideology is not about Europe, religion, language, government, etc. It is a racist sociological ideology - and is predicated on the idea that white people as a race are superior to other groups of sociological races of people.
Note, I am speaking specifically about black people in America dismissing the idea of white supremacy ideology and stop embracing said ideology (thinking that whites are better/superior and that blacks are worse/inferior and have something to prove). The way to do that IMO is to have a very in depth knowledge base of black American history in particular and to understand that all the stereotypes of us are false, that media attempts to paint an inferior, stereotypical picture of us, that institutional systems often attempt to treat us based on those stereotypes (the criminal justice system and educational system in particular). To dismantle it from our psyches we must be sure to not buy into ANY stereotypes of ourselves or believe any "statistics" 100% about us from the media and especially not to believe anything/entity/person that seeks to demean us, our culture, our families, our work ethic, or our aptitude for intelligence. Anything that attacks any of the above - are things that we should recognize as pushers of a white supremacy ideology and should consciously not buy into.
It seems you are doing like the other posters IMO - equating white supremacy ideology with white people or not African traditions. It is not about Europe - it is about a racist sociological ideology of inferiority/superiority based on being of the white race. It is not predicated on speaking a specific language or adhering to a specific religion.
I'm a black American - not an African. I have my own culture and history in this nation when it comes to spiritual traditions, language, etc. The reason why I do not buy into white supremacy ideology is because I refuse the idea of my culture and history being inferior just because we are not of the white sociological race. I've also reviewed the body of work of prominent black cultural icons in sociology and psychology where I received a in depth review of white supremacy ideology through out American history. My armor in this matter against this ideology is also assisted via my personal hobby (turned obsession) with my family's genealogy and the history of the local areas that they resided in.
I am ethnically a myriad of people - all people are biologically related in some way. I personally do feel that white supremacy as an ideology is also bad for white people and other people in this country from a psychological perspective (for me it is similar to narcissitic tendencies or thoughts of grandeur based on sociological race that you were born into). But as a black person my posts are focused on black people. I am very "pro black" and I love my people and don't view us poorly or in any inferior way, unlike a lot of posters around here who claim not to but then want to argue with people about how black people are _____ worse than whites/Latinos/Asians because of ________ (insert inherent "black" behavior/culture/activity, etc. - it is pretty laughable honestly to me. I get lots of giggles from this forum due to the posts people make about "black people" it is like you all view us as alien beings!)
You should thoroughly read the post you responded too. You blame whites for introducing it and you blame them for keeping it going. But since you also blame blacks that somehow makes it not racist?????
Yet you haven't answered. lol Maybe you'll respond this time. Which institution is racist?
Why is it substancially worse for blacks, then Hispanics? THAT is the entire point.
hahahahahaha Not since the Civil War. Please I'd love to see you dig up proof that blacks were forced to work post Civil War and in large numbers. Where was this slavery occuring after the Civil War?
Because of slavery up until 1929 right? I'm much more knowledgable on this subject than you are. That's why I haven't deflected or refused to answer questions like you have.
I find it odd you ask a question then seek to attack and dismiss the answers.
It is sad to me that you are unaware of how black people were forced to labor....
Honestly, it is shocking to me that you'd not know about this.
Look up convict labor system (they were counted employed - a black person could be imprisoned for years in a camp just for disrespecting a white person)
Look up the Great Flood of 1927 which I mentioned in another post (200k black people were put in camps and forced to work...)
Look up share cropping where black people actually were forced to work for free
I honestly could go on and on but I do recognize now that you are heavily invested in your own wilful ignorance on this subject.
I specifically stated I am speaking about black people - not Hispanics, not Asians either. I am neither of those and I am not as knowledgeable about their backgrounds and histories in this nation as black people. However, I am aware of the fact that their histories are not the same as black people. I am speaking specifically of the black experience and you feigning ignorance of forced labor of black people, again it is pretty surprising and I hope you are actually serious about not knowing. I'd suggest you read a book and watch a documentary called Slavery by Another Name if you seriously don't know.
LOL about the bold - you are funny, defensive, and argumentative - but not more knowledgeable about the subject of black labor. It is sad if you think you are and you've never heard of the convict labor system or know how share cropping "worked" and both of these systems would have counted black people as being employed in 1930 and a part of your statistics that you believe prove racism is "worse" today lol. You are living in a fantasy world it seems.
On institutional racism, I also already mentioned in this thread that the criminal justice system and the educational system in this country are the last two vestiges of institutional racism that disproportionately negatively affect black people versus other demographics. White supremacy ideology is rife within both of these systems in regards to the people who administer these systems heavily buying into and associating negative false stereotypes onto the black populace/charges within those institutions. Again, I'm sure you are may know about this (but now I'm doubting you know much of anything about this subject that you asked about). IMO the educational system is the one that causes the most damage to the black populace today.
Nearly everything you mentioned above has nothing to do with dismantling white supremacy - the ideology is not about Europe, religion, language, government, etc. It is a racist sociological ideology - and is predicated on the idea that white people as a race are superior to other groups of sociological races of people.
Note, I am speaking specifically about black people in America dismissing the idea of white supremacy ideology and stop embracing said ideology (thinking that whites are better/superior and that blacks are worse/inferior and have something to prove). The way to do that IMO is to have a very in depth knowledge base of black American history in particular and to understand that all the stereotypes of us are false, that media attempts to paint an inferior, stereotypical picture of us, that institutional systems often attempt to treat us based on those stereotypes (the criminal justice system and educational system in particular). To dismantle it from our psyches we must be sure to not buy into ANY stereotypes of ourselves or believe any "statistics" 100% about us from the media and especially not to believe anything/entity/person that seeks to demean us, our culture, our families, our work ethic, or our aptitude for intelligence. Anything that attacks any of the above - are things that we should recognize as pushers of a white supremacy ideology and should consciously not buy into.
It seems you are doing like the other posters IMO - equating white supremacy ideology with white people or not African traditions. It is not about Europe - it is about a racist sociological ideology of inferiority/superiority based on being of the white race. It is not predicated on speaking a specific language or adhering to a specific religion.
I'm a black American - not an African. I have my own culture and history in this nation when it comes to spiritual traditions, language, etc. The reason why I do not buy into white supremacy ideology is because I refuse the idea of my culture and history being inferior just because we are not of the white sociological race. I've also reviewed the body of work of prominent black cultural icons in sociology and psychology where I received a in depth review of white supremacy ideology through out American history. My armor in this matter against this ideology is also assisted via my personal hobby (turned obsession) with my family's genealogy and the history of the local areas that they resided in.
I am ethnically a myriad of people - all people are biologically related in some way. I personally do feel that white supremacy as an ideology is also bad for white people and other people in this country from a psychological perspective (for me it is similar to narcissitic tendencies or thoughts of grandeur based on sociological race that you were born into). But as a black person my posts are focused on black people. I am very "pro black" and I love my people and don't view us poorly or in any inferior way, unlike a lot of posters around here who claim not to but then want to argue with people about how black people are _____ worse than whites/Latinos/Asians because of ________ (insert inherent "black" behavior/culture/activity, etc. - it is pretty laughable honestly to me. I get lots of giggles from this forum due to the posts people make about "black people" it is like you all view us as alien beings!)
I agree.
What amazes me is whenever these discussions pop up, people often use immigrants as an example, usually Asian and Jewish Americans, to say why can’t such and such group achieve what they did, (also while overlooking the plight of Native Americans.)
This tells me that racism (and it’s surrounding context) is not about who acccomplishes what, statistics, numbers. Its about heirarchy, whether social or political on the superiority of whatever groups of people over others.
You should thoroughly read the post you responded too. You blame whites for introducing it and you blame them for keeping it going. But since you also blame blacks that somehow makes it not racist?????
Why is it substancially worse for blacks, then Hispanics? THAT is the entire point.
On the blue - I never said that white people introduced or keep anything going....
All my earlier posts were specific to the fact that black people embrace white supremacy ideology. I honestly don't get how you keep thinking I'm talking about white people.
Seems to me you have a victim complex yourself in this regard. Everytime you see the word 'white' you think someone is talking bad about white people.
And your post question was "is racism a big factor in keep minorities down?"
I answered the question and was specific to black people and how white supremacy ideology - which is a form of racism - it does keep black people "down" when they embrace said ideology.
It's a odd thing. Blacks especially tend to be told all their life about how the white man is keeping them down and the white man wants to keep them poor and the white man wants to enslave them. When you look at actual white America, nobody -- especially those with any power or influence gives two craps what color anyone's skin color is. Those few whites with power that do care about race, are all looking for ways to make things better for blacks and other minorities. Any exceptions are run out of town on a rail like we saw with the former owner of the LA Clippers.
It's a reality vs dogma sort of thing TBH. Blacks are taught that racism is a giant mountain when in reality it's more like a speed bump. Sure it's real and really annoying, but it's not going to stop you from doing or being whatever you want.
I find it odd you ask a question then seek to attack and dismiss the answers.
It is sad to me that you are unaware of how black people were forced to labor....
Honestly, it is shocking to me that you'd not know about this.
Look up convict labor system (they were counted employed - a black person could be imprisoned for years in a camp just for disrespecting a white person)
Look up the Great Flood of 1927 which I mentioned in another post (200k black people were put in camps and forced to work...)
Look up share cropping where black people actually were forced to work for free
I honestly could go on and on but I do recognize now that you are heavily invested in your own wilful ignorance on this subject.
I specifically stated I am speaking about black people - not Hispanics, not Asians either. I am neither of those and I am not as knowledgeable about their backgrounds and histories in this nation as black people. However, I am aware of the fact that their histories are not the same as black people. I am speaking specifically of the black experience and you feigning ignorance of forced labor of black people, again it is pretty surprising and I hope you are actually serious about not knowing. I'd suggest you read a book and watch a documentary called Slavery by Another Name if you seriously don't know.
LOL about the bold - you are funny, defensive, and argumentative - but not more knowledgeable about the subject of black labor. It is sad if you think you are and you've never heard of the convict labor system or know how share cropping "worked" and both of these systems would have counted black people as being employed in 1930 and a part of your statistics that you believe prove racism is "worse" today lol. You are living in a fantasy world it seems.
On institutional racism, I also already mentioned in this thread that the criminal justice system and the educational system in this country are the last two vestiges of institutional racism that disproportionately negatively affect black people versus other demographics. White supremacy ideology is rife within both of these systems in regards to the people who administer these systems heavily buying into and associating negative false stereotypes onto the black populace/charges within those institutions. Again, I'm sure you are may know about this (but now I'm doubting you know much of anything about this subject that you asked about). IMO the educational system is the one that causes the most damage to the black populace today.
That's woke and hotep.
So tell me. How would you do away with white supremacy? I gave my take on how to dismantle white supremacy, but according to you that is not the point. I swear alot of black Americans have become too emotional these days. I'm trying to help you out. No wonder black Americans and non black Americans can't get along anymore. Also what you stated, I already knew already. And I'm sorry black folks in this country have to go through such laborers extreme. I have already stated before. Leave the black man and the black woman alone white people.
Last edited by Bronxguyanese; 08-03-2018 at 10:12 AM..
Given that blacks occupy exalted status inside the affirmative action/hiring quota/college admission framework, not only are they not "kept down" but they are actually singled out for the greatest amount of assisting in "rising up."
That they do less with that institutional advantage than others do without it cannot be blamed on racism, since institutional racism is what gives them their institutional advantage in the first place. Basing hiring and college admission preference on race is, in fact, racial discrimination, and since the early 1970s, that preferential treatment in favor of blacks first and then Hispanics second has conferred favored status.
Instead of always comparing an entire race demographic on one or two simple metrics, examine the factors between people of different races who are all at the lower rung of the socioeconomic ladder, and see what they have in common to identify what individual cultural, environmental and personal choice factors could lead to negative socioeconomic outcomes.
For example:
Single parent household, with mother as parent and no father present?
Single parent household where parent has only high school diploma or less?
Average household income ad education level of immediate neighborhood?
Prevalence of alcoholism and drug addiction in the immediate neighborhood?
Out of wedlock and teenage pregnancy rates?
Etc.
What you'll find is that poor people, of any race, share a ton of cultural, environmental and personal choice factors. And you'll find that wealthy/successful people also share a ton of cultural, environmental and personal choice factors.
So the next question to ask is why a higher percentage of black people experience/choose the more negative cultural, environmental and personal choice factors? White people, as a race, are not the reason the single mother household rate is ~70% in the black demographic. Racism by whites do not force black men to impregnate black women and then disappear. So what does? That's the question to ask.
I don’t think Neil deGrasse Tyson, Toni Morrison, Maya Angelou, Kenneth Chennault, Octavia Butler and other very high achieving blacks (who have very successful careers unrelated to entertainment) got where they are because of affirmative action.
This is just a narrative that many people push to make themselves feel better.
So tell me. How would you do away with white supremacy? I gave my take on how to dismantle white supremacy, but according to you that is not the point. I swear alot of black Americans have become too emotional these days. I'm trying to help you out. No wonder black Americans and non black Americans can't get along anymore. Also what you stated, I already knew already. And I'm sorry black folks in this country have to go through such laborers extreme. I have already stated before. Leave the black man and the black woman alone white people.
I actually despise hoteps so please do not associate me with them. They are the largest purveyors of the ideology of white supremacy in black America and are a reason why people like me have the issues we do within black American in countering the psychological influences of white supremacy racism - they do the same things that people in this forum do. Continuously insist and act like black Americans are a stereotype or need to be more like white people in order to be good people.
I'm not being emotional. I've mentioned before, I don't routinely get emotional over internet stuff.
What you mentioned in your post though, as I noted, has nothing to do with white supremacy - which is a form of racism.
Do you agree that many black people embrace the idea that they are inferior to other groups of people?
If you do, then I would wonder why you'd think any change in language, government, etc., would make a difference. I'll note that many other people in various parts of the world, outside this country also embrace white supremacy ideology - in particular Africans do in certain nations - they speak their own language, many follow a traditional religion, etc., yet they still view themselves, their culture, and their people as worse than whites or Europeans.
It goes far beyond the surface level items you mentioned.
Note the only thing I'd ever get emotional about is someone trying to insinuate that I am anything like a hoteop lol (the HORROR!! ) Note I have few hotep-ish associates and family members - they NEVER discuss this sort of thing with me because their ignorance becomes apparent. Here on this forum I respond to the general, probably mostly white community, but on black themed social media sites, I hit hard at hoteps and most of them on those sites hate that I don't see them as "pro-black" and instead I view them as tools of white supremacy. They agree with nearly everything someone at Stormfront would say about black people and suffer the most in regards to embracing this ideology within black America.
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) Note I have few hotep-ish associates and family members - they NEVER discuss this sort of thing with me because their ignorance becomes apparent. Here on this forum I respond to the general, probably mostly white community, but on black themed social media sites, I hit hard at hoteps and most of them on those sites hate that I don't see them as "pro-black" and instead I view them as tools of white supremacy. They agree with nearly everything someone at Stormfront would say about black people and suffer the most in regards to embracing this ideology within black America.
