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Old 08-12-2018, 11:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The Constitution was amended and ratified in 1933.
Actually 1919.
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Old 08-12-2018, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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There's a massive breakdown in the black nuclear family. Single parent household are running rampant like a wildfire, and the kids raised in these dysfunctional environments with no father figure in sight are at a very high risk of criminality and perpetuating this dysfunctional to the next generation by abandoning their own kids.

This was warned a very long time ago by Daniel Moynihan in 1965 but no one cared
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Moynihan concluded, "The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ne...ational_Action
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When Moynihan wrote in 1965 on the coming destruction of the Black family, the out-of-wedlock birth rate was 25% among Blacks.[19] In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[20] In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa...mily_structure

This is the result of subsidizing singe parent households. Why would poor people ever get married? OR get 2 low income parents in the house. You get MORE benefits and LESS taxes by having 1 parent in the house on government assistance with less effort.

The crime in the inner cites in America will go on forever until you reform the welfare that subsidizes single parent households.

Many liberals understand this problem but they get paid so much money to "fix it" that they will never admit it. Liberals know damn well they will not and can not solve black violence without welfare reform, but their ignorant voters will make sure they continually get elected to "try."
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Old 08-13-2018, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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They (we) need to figure out from the community. As I've mentioned on here before, there are about even numbers of Hispanics and Blacks in Chicago (about 30% each, slightly more Hispanics), and both groups live in similar socioeconomic neighborhoods, yet almost 90% of violent crime is committed by blacks. There are also many Hispanic gangs too, yet still the vast majority of violent crime is happening in black communities.

In the Chicago forum, it was mentioned that crime in Hispanic communities tends to be more organized, and that gangs/criminals tend to stay in their "turfs" and rarely are innocent people at risk and there is some level of respect even among rivals. Also, Hispanic neighborhoods tend to be more vibrant with shops and stores, and there is a pretty large presence of working class families present throughout the neighborhoods, making the neighborhoods at least feel a lot safer to outsiders.

In the high crime black neighborhoods, you don't see that level of vibrancy, and there are more abandoned buildings around. The violent crime seems a lot less organized in black communities. Rivals just seem to keep shooting one another, and there doesn't seem to be any organized turfs or respect. Also, I read a while back that a lot of crime was starting as online/social media beefs that escalated. I would guess that this is much less common in Hispanic communities.

Long term, IMO, the way to stop it is through family structure. Kids need to grow up being taught respect and hard work. Good parent role models, etc. There are many successful blacks that grow up like that. Ben Carson (despite what people think of him, myself included), grew up in inner city Detroit with a single mother, and became a neurosurgeon. He said it was all because his mother made him study hard all the time. And he grew up in all the inner city elements in a tough time.

In the short term, tougher sentencing and something like a 3 strikes rule, and tough proactive policing in bad neighborhoods. Although in this climate, the latter will be difficult to implement.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The places where hard drugs have been legalized, they have had nothing but positive results
Which places would that be?
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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You can only ignore history if you know history. Stupid morons can't be accused of ignoring something if they don't know it.
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Whats really strange and interesting, with alcohol prohibition, it didnt take long at all for them to realize it wasnt working, and it was stopped...but the war on drugs, it fails miserably year after year, but they just keep doing the same thing, they cannot come to the realization that it needs to end.

I dont understand how they could see this with alcohol prohibition and not with drugs?

Im also wondering why the American people continue to allow this drug war to continue? We have the right and the duty to shut this down, if people would just band together and inform LE that drug arrests and investigations will no longer be permitted, there is nothing they could do about it.
What I think is the case is that with hard drugs there is so much stigma on them, even cannabis that is partially why the drugs are prohibitioned as well as known physical effects. Alcohol by comparison was not as stigmatized, the health risks aren't as high unless you binge and was not banned except for a generation of people.

That said ending prohibition of drugs won't stop gangs. It will just force them to the next marketable enterprise when business dries up.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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What I think is the case is that with hard drugs there is so much stigma on them, even cannabis that is partially why the drugs are prohibitioned as well as known physical effects. Alcohol by comparison was not as stigmatized, the health risks aren't as high unless you binge and was not banned except for a generation of people.

That said ending prohibition of drugs won't stop gangs. It will just force them to the next marketable enterprise when business dries up.
It stopped the gangs in the days of alcohol prohibition, didnt it? What did they do when alcohol was legal again...they got out of the black market booze business.

Looking around today, Ive never seen a black market for alcohol, there is just no point in it anymore.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It stopped the gangs in the days of alcohol prohibition, didnt it? What did they do when alcohol was legal again...they got out of the black market booze business.

Looking around today, Ive never seen a black market for alcohol, there is just no point in it anymore.
Well there is still one for cigarettes and they are legal... High cigarette taxes have led to thriving black market across America | TheHill
Cigarette black market on the rise - Arizona's Family
https://www.economist.com/the-econom...for-cigarettes
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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The Roaring 20's was like a kitten, puppy dog and ice cream party compared to what's going on now in Chicago and the circumstances are entirely different.

If you want a more apt comparison to what is happening in Chicago, look at the Favelas of Brazil, minus the regular government "extermination" missions.
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Old 08-13-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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Most people define a hard drug as a substance that results in addiction, opiates/ opioids, cocain / by products and Meth.

What places have lelgalizecd hard drugs?

The Netherlands views heroin addiction as a health condition. It chooses to treat long - term heroin addicts with heroin 3x/ day in supervised municipal facilities. The UK has a similar deal.

All drugs used for recreational purposes, including marijuana, are illegal in Portugal. They do not view quantities for personal use as a crime instead, it’s treated as a health issue. Emphasis is on Methadone Maintenance.

Healthcare is not a civil right in the US and it does not have a Universal Healthcare System.
Since Portugal changed the system, the number of addicts has dropped by 2/3.
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