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They should just go down the street and get a good paying job making televisions or something?
They are being paid a legal wage. If they don't have marketable skills to go elsewhere that is way it goes. Unless you have some sort of profit sharing as a business owner you are not required to share your success.
People need to be responsible for themselves. I am just tired of the socialist class warfare.
A lot of I don’t care in your post. Thinking like this is part of the problem.
Nearly everything is connected, the way our economy works, what people choose to buy or not to buy, CEOs who distribute other people’s labor to themselves; it creates a market where free usage of labor is almost impossible and the owners of the capital dominate those who choose to work rather than manage money (often times not a real option for many).
Bezos may not be actively trying to keep that woman down, but through are big business economy that he is supporting, wealth is controlled by the owners, not by production output. In such an environment, people don’t always have as many choices as you may assume.
Like I said I am doing fine. Most people I know are also. Bezos is not taking any money out of my pocket. And those I know not doing well its mostly self inflicted.
They are being paid a legal wage. If they don't have marketable skills to go elsewhere that is way it goes. Unless you have some sort of profit sharing as a business owner you are not required to share your success.
People need to be responsible for themselves. I am just tired of the socialist class warfare.
Your tired of it because you don’t understand it. Our current economy does not reward hard work, it rewards capital ownership. Bezos makes money because he manages the distribution of labor. In a free market economy you’d have an argument but as I explained before, we have a market where supply creates demand, profits need to be made so consumers must keep buying the goods big business wants them to. Furthermore supply chains are dominated by big business rewarding the owners of capital with access to consumers that most can’t reach at affordable prices. Bezos manages and distributes money while outsourcing marketing and goods production to others, and he himself does not have the skills (or at least does not practice them) to keep the shipping process functioning (he’a One man so he could never do that anyways but he doesn’t even produce as much as his average workers).
Then again you probably also think socialism is about government welfare, not worker managed production and the free access to labor.
Capital: wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing
But beyond this, it means that the means of production or resources needed to start the production of something (human resources or actual tools). These capital, owned by a handful of people (money feedback loop, money make money) restrict the access to work and cause the majority of people to work FOR someone else which then eventually brings us to a point where there is a monopolization of resources so that a few individuals make the output of other people's input.
But without State-backed force how does one monopolize capital? And even if one could specific types of capital are meaningless. That's why capitalism/anarchy is true freedom.
You state "wealth in the form of money or other assets" but there is no standardized currency or exchange entity in capitalism. Value comes from each individual's perception of what is valuable. Exchange methods are also not uniform. Dance for an apple. Shave your head for a hammer. Run 60 miles while screaming for a car. It's up to you to form your own contract.
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But beyond this, it means that the means of production or resources needed to start the production of something (human resources or actual tools).
Again, each individual decides what is important to him so this is pretty meaningless especially in capitalism where you must rightfully own what you have. That means you simply can't horde what admittedly are very important resources (water, food).
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These capital, owned by a handful of people (money feedback loop, money make money) restrict the access to work and cause the majority of people to work FOR someone else which then eventually brings us to a point where there is a monopolization of resources so that a few individuals make the output of other people's input.
So the first part of the sentence is wrong because money isn't standardized and backed by monopolized force.
The only way to monopolize a resource under capitalism is to mix your labor with one specific resource to rightfully own it (and all of it that exists, may exist on earth), refuse to voluntarily trade/sell it (which would be nearly impossible unless you own something nobody wants and you don't want anything from anyone else), or nature selects for that resource to be extinguished and you have the last one.
In the latter's case that is simply the rule of nature. Like our current form of Statism, anarcho-syndicalism is simply categorizing resources, their value, and distribution based on a collective morality while ignoring nature.
And like with our current Statist model I don't want any part of it.
Like I said I am doing fine. Most people I know are also. Bezos is not taking any money out of my pocket. And those I know not doing well its mostly self inflicted.
The world is larger than the people you know. Either way capital ownership is the power that controls money, and being a for profit system means real labor production is not rewarded, just labor that can influence markets, cut costs, or help keep control of the capital in the hands of a few. These rules even apply to the people you know.
The world is larger than the people you know. Either way capital ownership is the power that controls money, and being a for profit system means real labor production is not rewarded, just labor that can influence markets, cut costs, or help keep control of the capital in the hands of a few. These rules even apply to the people you know.
So your solution is a socialist system where no one is directly rewarded for their efforts.
Just go out and get the training or education to get a good career or if you have the guts launch a business. Don't worry about those at the very top. Things are fine here. There has always been this class envy by some. Even back in the days of the Rockefeller's and DuPonts. And you know what others have come up the ranks and replaced them as future entrepreneurs will replace the Bezos, Buffett and other billionaires.
Bezos took a chance and started something that turned out very successful. He should be rewarded for that commensurately which it appears he is. Good for him.
But without State-backed force how does one monopolize capital? And even if one could specific types of capital are meaningless. That's why capitalism/anarchy is true freedom.
You state "wealth in the form of money or other assets" but there is no standardized currency or exchange entity in capitalism. Value comes from each individual's perception of what is valuable. Exchange methods are also not uniform. Dance for an apple. Shave your head for a hammer. Run 60 miles while screaming for a car. It's up to you to form your own contract.
Again, each individual decides what is important to him so this is pretty meaningless especially in capitalism where you must rightfully own what you have. That means you simply can't horde what admittedly are very important resources (water, food).
So the first part of the sentence is wrong because money isn't standardized and backed by monopolized force.
The only way to monopolize a resource under capitalism is to mix your labor with one specific resource to rightfully own it, refuse to voluntarily trade/sell it (which would be nearly impossible unless you own something nobody wants and you don't want anything from anyone else), or nature selects for that resource to be extinguished and you have the last one.
In the latter's case that is simply the rule of nature. Like our current form of Statism, anarcho-syndicalism is simply categorizing resources, their value, and distribution based on a collective morality while ignoring nature.
And like with our current Statist model I don't want any part of it.
1. Wealth can take different forms. Even in your system different currencies are valued by their usage, how many use then as an exchange currency etc. like stocks, they have a value, but it changes over time.
2. I’m not claiming all capital would be monopolized by the same person group, but that all capital will be eventually owned by someone being as privatization allows for ownership beyond an individuals personal abilities. In such a case access to labor would be restricted by the owners and free labor production would be limited to what you yourself own, NOT limited by your abilities to utilize said capital (as it should be).
As for anarchi-syndicalism, Capital is not valued in the same way. They are open sources of production that anyone is free to use, and if multiple people wish to function with the same means of production, then they must come up with mutual agreed management of production (democratic production rather than authoritarian). The need based demand a union in a town may need to produce does add value to that production, but that product can be individual produced by anyone as long as the capital they choose to use is currently not in usage by a union (group of people) or anyone else.
Of course everywhere is different, some towns have different need from others so production by unions would be defined as such. Individual production (given the priorities above) is still allowed.
So your solution is a socialist system where no one is directly rewarded for their efforts.
Just go out and get the training or education to get a good career or if you have the guts launch a business. Don't worry about those at the very top. Things are fine here. There has always been this class envy by some. Even back in the days of the Rockefeller's and DuPonts. And you know what others have come up the ranks and replaced them as future entrepreneurs will replace the Bezos, Buffett and other billionaires.
Bezos took a chance and started something that turned out very successful. He should be rewarded for that commensurately which it appears he is. Good for him.
Everything isn’t always going to be fine when you have big business controlling the economy. Some competition is allowed but the owners of the capital control the supply chains and the production methods/means.
Socialism doesn’t always mean no direct gain, you can grow/make something, and then gain ownership of it. You can help produce things you yourself may need, and much more. Free access to labor opens up many opportunities.
Everything isn’t always going to be fine when you have big business controlling the economy. Some competition is allowed but the owners of the capital control the supply chains and the production methods/means.
The federal reserve controls the economy through monetary policy. I would prefer a system where there is no federal reserve and real capitalism can control things. And if a company takes over too much of its industry and becomes a monopoly there are ways of dealing with that
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Socialism doesn’t always mean no direct gain, you can grow/make something, and then gain ownership of it. You can help produce things you yourself may need, and much more. Free access to labor opens up many opportunities.
In Cuba socialism means working and selling things under the table. Things are smuggled in from the horrible capitalist USA and because the government controls how much you are allowed to earn ambition comes in this form. If you are caught being ambitious you go to prison. I am sure its the same in North Korea but instead of prison you are executed. And Venezuela well we know whats happening there. Everyone wants to leave the country.
Other examples of socialist countries. Well we had the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Until we brought them to their knees and the were forced to embrace more capitalism. Now with Putin he wants to revert back to their socialist roots. We had East Germany. That also failed. Need I go on?
The federal reserve controls the economy through monetary policy. I would prefer a system where there is no federal reserve and real capitalism can control things. And if a company takes over too much of its industry and becomes a monopoly there are ways of dealing with that
In Cuba socialism means working and selling things under the table. Things are smuggled in from the horrible capitalist USA and because the government controls how much you are allowed to earn ambition comes in this form. If you are caught being ambitious you go to prison. I am sure its the same in North Korea but instead of prison you are executed. And Venezuela well we know whats happening there. Everyone wants to leave the country.
Other examples of socialist countries. Well we had the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Until we brought them to their knees and the were forced to embrace more capitalism. Now with Putin he wants to revert back to their socialist roots. We had East Germany. That also failed. Need I go on?
Political Cuba is authoritarian where the government sets the work agenda (not the workers), and controls what type of labor is available to who. There also authoritarian so the invest lots of resources into keeping power.
That’s why I’m an anarchist. If you want to look at forms where socialism works look at revolutionary Catalonia (anarcho-syndicalism).
Ps. Putin is not a socialist, he is part of the oligarchs that took control in the 90s.
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