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Old 08-23-2018, 04:47 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
Why should that bother me? It's his company. He's the one that had the idea. He's the one that started it. He's the one that risked it. he's the one that traded all those hours of his life to make it work. He's the one that guided it.

I did not. So why should I covet what he has or gets? I didn't do anything to earn that. What, am I supposed to be paid for breathing these days?
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/st...69466052538368


Just think, Bezos makes many times more than the average worker yet does not produce as much as they do. He should be paid less by the rules of input/output but because he controls the distribution of cash he makes the most.

Corporate CEOs generally lack basic trade skills that are needed to keep a society functioning and moral in nature, instead they are skilled at winning state subsidies, cutting financial costs that don't directly benefit their bottom line, and outsourcing production AND marketing. This is why when Obama or Trump selects one of them to help the US economy, they fail, because they have no real skills.

These concepts are basic yet everyone criticizes Bernie on this one tweet, why?
Because life's not fair and there's nothing you, or Bernie can do to make it fair. Nothing.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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1.) This is not about Bernie

2.) Bezos produces nothing, he neither keeps his company functioning nor does he practice a useful trade skill. He just owns the capital

The question is why do people like you look at people like him with such respect. Corporate CEOs generally have no real economic skills, that is why they fail when Obama, Bush, or Trump assign them to state economic rolls.
Conservatives have long been corporate book lickers. Where you been?

They automatically deem the wealthy as worthy - no matter what.

Bezos makes an ungodly fortune while his employees qualify for food stamps.

Yeah. That's a long term winning prospect for this country
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:44 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Bezos makes an ungodly fortune while his employees qualify for food stamps.
Then why don't they go find another job? Jesus Christ, the unemployment rate is lower than it has been in how long??? If you don't like what you're being paid and you just continue doing it... that's YOUR fault, not Bezos'. If nobody was willing to work for what he pays, then he would either go out of business or raise his wages.But... they are willing. Their fault.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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Ridiculous and shallow. Suggesting a better system does not make one lazy. If you lived during the feudal era would you just shut up and work or suggest change when possible.

Furthermore the obsession with ‘building an empire’ is destroying this country. There is only a finite amount of capital in this country and for a few to make it big many must stay down. People have different abilities and practice them to different degree but no one has the sole ability to build an empire by themselves. In a free society even if Bezos worked harder than everyone else (he doesn’t) the amount he receives in compensation does not reflect how much more he produces.

Greed is not great, wanting to dominate the world makes you forget about community and each achievement that is accomplished by a collective group of people gets credited to one individual who believes he has excess abilities beyond his mental and physical capabilities. And from then on you get excess control of capital that turns in invisible control, which turns into a form of state control.

Work hard, but do not limit the work of others just because because you can only think about yourself, society was built on personal ownership, not on the privatization of labor nor the privatization of control on capital.
Actually, more capital should be being created via innovation, etc. If it's not, that means that the system is mainly based on credit rather than capital. That's the only way there could be a limited amount of capital that if one gets it, others lose it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Actually, more capital should be being created via innovation, etc. If it's not, that means that the system is mainly based on credit rather than capital. That's the only way there could be a limited amount of capital that if one gets it, others lose it.
1.) most of the time innovation is another form of capital that already exists

2.) Even when it’s not, after a short transition stage, a few select owners of that capital arise and everyone else must work for them if they wish access to that labor and by their rules
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Then why don't they go find another job? Jesus Christ, the unemployment rate is lower than it has been in how long??? If you don't like what you're being paid and you just continue doing it... that's YOUR fault, not Bezos'. If nobody was willing to work for what he pays, then he would either go out of business or raise his wages.But... they are willing. Their fault.
Your understanding of economics is flawed. I’ve explained it a hundred times on this thread in depth, but Amazon produces it’s wealth because of the people who keep it running, not the ones that manage the wealth.

The job opportunities you speak of all exist in similar nature as capital is owned by a few and free labor is not allowed. Instead tyrannical structures are form via big business that control output.
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Old 08-23-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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People can speak.

Until the Marxists take full control.
Oh come on, I’m not saying they should be silenced, just that they have an odd way of seeing the world.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Oh come on, I’m not saying they should be silenced, just that they have an odd way of seeing the world.
Being and Anarcho-Syndicalist you aren't used to having an extremely different world view?

If you weren't a collectivist it probably wouldn't bother you. That's the best part of being an AnCap. Don't initiate force against me and I don't care what you do.
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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Things like prices most people look at, but marketing and capital are deeper than that. All companies try to lower the cost of their product but the influence comes more from what you buy and where you buy it. Take Tyson’s food. They fill up the grocery store with their products so people are more inclined to buy them (access to the market only capital owners have).

And the second part once again is not my opinion, you can go to any corporate executive and see if their intention is to sell something to better people’s lives, or make money.

Take the rubber bracelet things that were a fad at one point. No one needed the and no one wanted them. It was the job of the company to make the product cool and available to the most buyers at the lowest price (supply chain) because that was their tool to make money. These production chains don’t use resources for societal gain, but for private advancements. Their supply needed demand or else they’d have a financial hole that would bring them down.

Free markets as theorized should be a competition to make the products that people need produced by consumer demand in the cheapest most innovative ways while also providing the best available version of the product.

The problem is in a privatized environment you will never see businesses looking into the needs of a people, building a product/service, and then factually listing the pros and cons of such products for consumer viewership. Profit means finding things to sell and diverting the capital that real people could use to better their lives (free practice of labor).

Free markets are not possible with the privatization of capital, conversely you can’t have free markets without the privatization of capital, therefore the free market is impossible to achieve. A myth if you will.
Thats a ton of nonsense you have been brainwashed with. To be honest I don't care to debate with someone with such extreme views, its a no win scenario. Good luck with all of that though.
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