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Old 08-23-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This is just your opinion, and I disagree with that premise. Most people shop with price as the main factor, therefor "cheap" is what they want and exactly what they get.

Everything else about business hating the free market and consumers being forced to buy things are again just an opinion, and an incredibly biased one at that, which also paints with enormously wide strokes.
Things like prices most people look at, but marketing and capital are deeper than that. All companies try to lower the cost of their product but the influence comes more from what you buy and where you buy it. Take Tyson’s food. They fill up the grocery store with their products so people are more inclined to buy them (access to the market only capital owners have).

And the second part once again is not my opinion, you can go to any corporate executive and see if their intention is to sell something to better people’s lives, or make money.

Take the rubber bracelet things that were a fad at one point. No one needed the and no one wanted them. It was the job of the company to make the product cool and available to the most buyers at the lowest price (supply chain) because that was their tool to make money. These production chains don’t use resources for societal gain, but for private advancements. Their supply needed demand or else they’d have a financial hole that would bring them down.

Free markets as theorized should be a competition to make the products that people need produced by consumer demand in the cheapest most innovative ways while also providing the best available version of the product.

The problem is in a privatized environment you will never see businesses looking into the needs of a people, building a product/service, and then factually listing the pros and cons of such products for consumer viewership. Profit means finding things to sell and diverting the capital that real people could use to better their lives (free practice of labor).

Free markets are not possible with the privatization of capital, conversely you can’t have free markets without the privatization of capital, therefore the free market is impossible to achieve. A myth if you will.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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Not just here, read the twitter replies.
I don't do Twitter.

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The majority of Americans think corporate CEOs like Bezos produce hundreds of times more than the individual worker and deserve their wealth and are the backbone of this country.
They have for a long time but not because of Bernie.

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Then when Obama or Trump put them in to help the economy, they fail, because their skill set is limited to bribing state governments for subsidies, outsourcing marketing, development, etc. and cost cutting none profit enhancing structures within their company.

And yet still Americans by in large look at these people like they're geniuses who know how the economy works.
I do not disagree with you outside of the idea that Bernie had much of anything to do with this.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I don't do Twitter.



They have for a long time but not because of Bernie.



I do not disagree with you outside of the idea that Bernie had much of anything to do with this.
I'm using Bernie's tweet as an example.

Most politicians don't state stuff like he does so I went with it.

Bernie wrote a tweet with facts, people got angry.

The question is, why?
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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I'm using Bernie's tweet as an example.

Most politicians don't state stuff like he does so I went with it.

Bernie wrote a tweet with facts, people got angry.

The question is, why?
He is demonizing one of the very people he needs to fleece to implement his schemes
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:42 PM
 
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I'm using Bernie's tweet as an example.

Most politicians don't state stuff like he does so I went with it.

Bernie wrote a tweet with facts, people got angry.

The question is, why?
Most people do not like facts.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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He is demonizing one of the very people he needs to fleece to implement his schemes
Why is it we can't simply quit losing Trillions of dollars in the Pentagon somewhere?
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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He is demonizing one of the very people he needs to fleece to implement his schemes
A.) This is not about him

B.) Even if that were true, Bezos didn’t earn his money from free labor, he gained it through control of the capital.

Something I’ve explained countless times on this thread.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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A.) This is not about him

B.) Even if that were true, Bezos didn’t earn his money from free labor, he gained it through control of the capital.

Something I’ve explained countless times on this thread.
No one is forced to work for him and no one is forced to buy his products.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Why is it we can't simply quit losing Trillions of dollars in the Pentagon somewhere?
Ask bernie.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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No one is forced to work for him and no one is forced to buy his products.
I’ve already explained that the entire corporate culture in this country owns the vast majority of the capital therefore controlling the majority of the free labor. Furthermore the business practices each company share are remarkable similar (as they need to be as the free markets are a threat to their bottom line).
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