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Old 09-05-2018, 10:33 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I am still waiting for the socialists to provide me one example of socialist policy that is moral, just and fair, and doesn't require slaughtering or threaten to slaughtering people.
Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=soci...hrome&ie=UTF-8


Socialism has never existed on this planet, and there has never been a socialist policy. Countries like the USSR were not controlled by the community as a whole, they were controlled by dictators. Republicans also claim that countries like Denmark are socialists, but in reality those countries are "social-capitalists."

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Old 09-05-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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The one fact that continuously get's overlooked is that we already have a pretty high degree of socialism intertwined into our modern economy. This isn't talked about much as it is painful for those who truly believe that we, in fact, do have a capitalist--market driven--economy. The federal government has a huge role in modern day America's financial health, Fed policies alone serve as a big clue to the fact of our shift to a capitalist/socialistic form. Hybrid economies seem to be the norm in most of the advanced nations but the stigma of words holds tight to the minds of the ill informed, many are confused about the terms, capitalism, socialism, communism, and the various degrees of state intervention in all of those constructs.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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Why do people keep trying g to get a failed system put in place?

History is replete with how socialism inevitably fails.
Where was socialism, communism, or capitalism ever practiced in complete accordance with formal economic theory? Most of the old empires had some form of plutocracy as their basic economic form, and things haven't really changed all that much in modern times, so, we have a hybrid economy and that will continue to include some aspects of state control along with the democratic participation through the political process.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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Workers can't have a vote in how their company is run. Who exactly is a worker anyway? Someone hired last week who sweeps the floor? Are managers workers? Would each worker get one vote, regardless of their knowledge and experience?

What about the people who started the company? Who had the idea and invested time and money? Would they get the same vote as the workers?

Workers can't run a company. If they knew how, or wanted to take the risk, they would have started their own companies.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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What will happen if America does not practice some form of socialism in the future?

Today America has huge deficits and debt growth, millions of uninsured citizens, millions of people living in poverty, citizens going into deep debt, people no longer able to afford homes with basic manual labor jobs, future short falls in Social Security and Medicare, and the rest of the worlds countries taking America's manufacturing base. And all of those problems will continue to get worse in the future.
These are problems that will not be solved with socialism.

Socialism is outcome based economics in theory - when at its best is Russia, and at its worst is Venezuela.
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Old 09-05-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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How many people do you plan to slaughter?

Please name one socialist policy that doesn't require violence or a threat of violence to implement.
Any government policy in essence require violence to enforce. If you refuse the draft you can be forced into prison. I see this meme all the time with my right wing nut job and "libertarian" friends, it's always about laws being violent. Get over it, you all sound like a bunch of juveniles mentally.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If the Dems can take back the House and Senate, as well as the presidency, we could possibly one day have a democratic-socialist country.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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How many people do you plan to slaughter?

Please name one socialist policy that doesn't require violence or a threat of violence to implement.
The word "democratic" in democratic socialist means it is achieved through democratic elections as opposed to revolution, as was the case in Cuba and USSR.

None of the countries the OP paints as socialist (Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway) became that way through violence.

Policies to implement? If the policy is by law, the enforcement of such law will be carried out with or without violence. Same is true with ALL laws, so any nation of laws has "threat of violence" in it. Why do you think cops carry guns?
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: NY in body, Mayberry in spirit.
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It's a common sense that socialism is pure evil.
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It's common senses to back up offhanded remarks with facts...which you did not do. Empty rhetoric is not indicative of common sense.
Wrong. He simply stated an opinion. You do it all the time. Anyone can have an opinion without the burden of proof needed when claiming a statement is factual. If liberals needed facts before they could speak, well, things would be pretty quite around here.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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The article is pretty simple.. it also does not articulate what the Scandinavian/Nordic modell is. Which is a Social Democracy.
What most of the interview objects are describing borderline Marxism.. which always leads to violence against its own inhabitants, in the name of "equality" by a Dictator on top.


Social Democracies:

Free markets and often public ownership of natural resources that the whole population should receive benefits from.

And the Government takes care of externalities and helps people who can´t manage in a modern economy, often due to genetics or random "bad luck".
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