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We can at least agree on one thing. Cops do play by different rules. They can break into someone's home, murder them and then blame the victim for not cooperating and get away with it.
Yet to be seen. The cop can clearly marshall a defense. Will it prevail? We shall see.
I did not like the murder rather than manslaughter. Tilts the field toward the cop.
I could personally find her guilty of manslaughter. But not murder.
Why is the legal resident of the apartment supposed to cooperate with the criminal that just broke into their home? You seem to forget that the cop had no right to be in his apartment or order him to do anything. She had no legal right to enter, no legal right to issue commands and sure as hell had no legal right or legitimate reason to murder him in cold blood. .
Right. Not only that, but she wasn't a cop at that point, she was off duty. She didn't have a right to issue "commands" to anyone.
Nobody has to cooperate or "obey" a stranger who breaks into their home.
Oh, and before anyone gets the wrong impression, I am not victim blaming, I have no idea what the victim in this case did or didn't do. .
Then why are you commenting on it if you don't know what the victim did?
I've read a lot about this case. A lot.
The victim did nothing. He was sitting at home, minding his own business, watching football on TV.
That is all.
And in her 911 call, she never mentioned anything about "cooperation" or lack of it. He didn't have time to think about what was happening. He wasn't granted the opportunity to make any decisions, she went in there and blasted him. He can't tell his side of the story now. He's dead.
The tired old "cooperation" argument is used every single time a police officer murders a black man for no reason. People will point to some way to blame the victim, claim he did the wrong thing or he didn't cooperate; when in many of these cases the victim cooperated fully and did everything right. I've noticed most of the people defending Guyger tend to be white conservatives. That doesn't surprise me.
This is a perfect example of why her story doesn't add up. YOU, as a pedestrian have been trained to become even more alert once you decide a weapon should be drawn. I would think in her case, the training goes far beyond that of a pedestrian. She was drowsy and carrying things isn't a reason for going into an apartment and shooting someone.
Being alert doesn't automatically equate into making good decisions. Along with all the conjecture, someone's anecdotal comment about "being more alert when my hand touches my gun" brings nothing to the party.
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To believe this was a "mere accident" is to suspend all common sense and is dependent on ignoring the many questions that arise every time someone comes up with an excuse for X, Y and Z and the various scenarios cop apologists are laying out.
For myself, I don't "believe" anything. I've seen some information about stated circumstances. Are there holes, for sure, no doubt. However, it's clear that just as some will "always side with a cop", there are those who are exactly the opposite. Both sides are bringing some wildly unsubstantiated and obviously biased guesses (and in many cases, nothing even remotely approaching "educated" guesses).
Can I envision scenarios that her "mistake" not rise to the level of criminality, no, I don't. Can I imagine scenarios that while she did honestly go into the wrong apartment but reacted recklessly which led to his shooting, yup, for sure. Can I even envision scenarios by which she may have intentionally shot him, yes, I definitely can. But I don't have anything remotely approaching sufficient facts and insights that leads me to any conclusions and this is a perfect example of "devils in the details".
The victim did nothing. He was sitting at home, minding his own business, watching football on TV.
That is all.
Serious question, how do you know what he did in response to her? Was there video evidence presented/leaked? Was he texting/live streaming/otherwise communicating with someone at the time?
Serious question, how do you know what he did in response to her? Was there video evidence presented/leaked? Was he texting/live streaming/otherwise communicating with someone at the time?
There is a recording of her 911 call in which she never even once states he did anything wrong.
There is a recording of her 911 call in which she never even once states he did anything wrong.
Effed up is doing wrong.
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