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Originally Posted by lvmensch
The Cop was not trying to kill a young accountant. She believed she was stopping an attacking burglar.
Very similar tragic errors resulting in grievous harm to an innocent person.
So if we're going to use the bus driver analogy with this shooting of a person in his own home, I think we have to change the bus driver specifics.
This would be akin to someone running over pedestrians in a crosswalk, stating he perceived they were attacking him and would overturn his car and drag him out and kill him if he didn't make his getaway by running them over.
Then, video of the scene showed that no, this was just your average group of pedestrians crossing the crosswalk, minding their own business. He had no need whatsoever to run over them, despite his completely off the mark perception of his situation.
So if we're going to use the bus driver analogy with this shooting of a person in his own home, I think we have to change the bus driver specifics.
This would be akin to someone running over pedestrians in a crosswalk, stating he perceived they were attacking him and would overturn his car and drag him out and kill him if he didn't make his getaway by running them over.
Then, video of the scene showed that no, this was just your average group of pedestrians crossing the crosswalk, minding their own business. He had no need whatsoever to run over them, despite his completely off the mark perception of his situation.
NOW, you've got an equal comparison, IMHO.
Nope. You are inflating it past good sense. The issue is how do we deal with tragic error that effects the innocent.
The bus driver missed two children who were carefully following the law in crossing the street. In fact the police are still investigating how he could have missed them.
The Cop missed the fact she was in the wrong apartment and killed an innocent man in his own home.
Two tragic errors leading to bad outcomes. No need to embroider them.
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Nope. You are inflating it past good sense. The issue is how do we deal with tragic error that effects the innocent.
The bus driver missed two children who were carefully following the law in crossing the street. In fact the police are still investigating how he could have missed them.
The Cop missed the fact she was in the wrong apartment and killed an innocent man in his own home.
Two tragic errors leading to bad outcomes. No need to embroider them.
I stand by my analogy.
Both the driver who perceived he was being attacked by mere street crossers, IMHO, is a perfect analogy for Guyger's misperception she was in her own home and this man was an intruder, and so rather than back out and continue giving orders, she decided to shoot him dead.
Sometimes, accidents are truly accidents. I'm not sure whether these kids in the crosswalk were visible - depending on traffic in the way. Also, they may have darted out so that they weren't there moments ago, but now were.
And that's different from purposely killing someone because you have no idea you aren't in your own home.
(If Guyger entered the apartment, became startled when she was removing her gun and it accidentally off and ricocheted and by sheer accident hit him, because she jumped and accidentally squeezed her gun that was in her hand, then ok, it's comparable to the bus driver guy).
Both the driver who perceived he was being attacked by mere street crossers, IMHO, is a perfect analogy for Guyger's misperception she was in her own home and this man was an intruder, and so rather than back out and continue giving orders, she decided to shoot him dead.
Sometimes, accidents are truly accidents. I'm not sure whether these kids in the crosswalk were visible - depending on traffic in the way. Also, they may have darted out so that they weren't there moments ago, but now were.
And that's different from purposely killing someone because you have no idea you aren't in your own home.
(If Guyger entered the apartment, became startled when she was removing her gun and it accidentally off and ricocheted and by sheer accident hit him, because she jumped and accidentally squeezed her gun that was in her hand, then ok, it's comparable to the bus driver guy).
Nope. What the Cop did was perfectly reasonable given her perception of the situation had been true. It was, of course, not true and that is the tragic error.
You are introducing circumstances that are not required. The two errors caused two awful events. Simple as that.
Nope. What the Cop did was perfectly reasonable given her perception of the situation had been true. It was, of course, not true and that is the tragic error.
You are introducing circumstances that are not required. The two errors caused two awful events. Simple as that.
Her response was reasonable if she thought she was in her apartment, and we have no reason to believe otherwise. That said, she needs to be held accountable and to pay a price for her actions. Does it meet the test of murder under Texas law? I do not know. Perhaps manslaughter? She should be charged with the appropriate crime under existing law.
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