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For a girl like me who will never get a tattoo for myself, I don't automatically assume people with tattoos are trashy, stupid, uneducated, or poor because it simply is not the truth.
I generally find people who complains a lot or judge a lot are angry unpleasant people. I think most people really don't like them.
How about this, if "tattooing is a stupid decision no matter what" is an universal truth (like 1+1=2), then you WON by default.
Getting a tattoo, especially in a place where people can see it, is incredibly disadvantageous. With the most extreme example of this being someone who gets a tattoo on their face.
My point is, as it stands right now, in the real world, getting a face tattoo is a terribly bad idea. Getting a neck tattoo is a slightly less-bad idea. Getting a sleeve tattoo is a slightly less-bad idea than that. Getting a tramp-stamp is a less-bad idea than that if you're a woman. And getting pretty much any other tattoo is slightly less-bad on a gradient based on where it is, and what it is.
Should that be the case? Was it always the case? Will it always be the case?
I'll say this, humans have always respected modesty. And they naturally hold it up as a virtue. Tattoos are the opposite of modesty.
The only way tattoos have ever been seen as good, is when they are associated with virtue. Which is typically when they are used to show respect for your family/ancestors(IE ancestral or tribal tattoos).
My point is, as it stands right now, in the real world, getting a face tattoo is a terribly bad idea. Getting a neck tattoo is a slightly less-bad idea. Getting a sleeve tattoo is a slightly less-bad idea than that. Getting a tramp-stamp is a less-bad idea than that if you're a woman. And getting pretty much any other tattoo is slightly less-bad on a gradient based on where it is, and what it is..
well, I don't disagree with you.
But it LOOKS like your real argument is: getting a tattoo,period,is a stupid decision. (I certainly don't want to discuss what women do. It is irrelevant.)
It is not all or nothing for me. Even though I have no tattoos, I am not naive enough to believe that everybody got a tattoo for the exact same reasons. I certainly am not naive enough to believe that decision is a stupid decision for everybody. Or everybody with a tattoo has the same or similar IQ score. LOL who thinks like that? It takes 2 years for my brother to find a good artist, and he chose to get that tattoo on his back for a very specific reason (see previous posts)
A lot of people's tattoos tell a story. I try to avoid Perpetuating Stigma. Plus, a lot of people with tattoos in modern days do not really fit the OLD
stereotype anyway.
I used to date a guy who is a software engineer. He works for a fortune 500 tech company. A lot of engineers have piercings and tattoos. My family lawyer also has a small tattoo on his arm. The only thing I would complain about him is that he is too expensive. LOL Tattoo? nah, It is not a big deal to a lot of people these days.
The “stigma”, first started way back in the “Sailor” days, when sailors would come to port and get tattooed, drunk, get into fights and the such, which gave them bad names.
Then after world war 2, the Hells Angels was stared, bikers got tattooed, drank, fought, got arrested, etc.
Then tattooing became very popular in jails and prisons.
Thus, anyone “normal”, who wanted a tattoo, was labeled a troublemaker.
Nowadays, things are a lot different. Tattooing has become more of an art to most people, instead of a label.
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But it LOOKS like your real argument is: getting a tattoo period is a stupid decision.
It is a stupid decision, but so is smoking cigarettes, and doing drugs, and having casual sex, and buying a sports-car, and eating McDonalds, and being overweight, and not wearing your seatbelt, and going significantly over the speed-limit, and going to the casino, and dropping out of high-school, and skydiving, etc.
Just because it is a stupid decision doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. And just because you make stupid decisions, doesn't mean you are stupid.
You are getting too butthurt and offended because you are misunderstanding the point.
He could have said "Smoking is for stupid people", or "Not wearing your seat-belt is for stupid people", or "Doing meth is for stupid people".
All of which are objectively true, but people like yourself will argue about anything.
And please stop straw-manning the hell out of my argument. I never once claimed that everyone who has a tattoo is stupid.
It will be stupid of me to continue the discussion with you. So I apologize for my stupidity.
I also apologize for being a person like me who will argue about anything. I think honestly think it is YOU who do the arguing. LOL
Did I tell you, "If 'tattooing is a stupid decision' an universal truth like 1+1=2, then you won by default. If tattooing is a stupid decision is just your opinions, then I DO NOT want to argue with opinions." ?
Have a wonderful day.
It looks like you just want to say your last words, then consider this my gift to you, you got it. Come back and say your last words, I know you would.
This will be my very last post in this thread!
A tattoo is a personal choice. People just have to realize, there are still work places that don't allow visible tattoos. In the Bible belt, there are homeowners who will not hire anyone to work on their house who has a tattoo. I don't have any, but faced backlash when an employee did.
Aren't there religions that forbid tattoos?
It will be stupid of me to continue the discussion with you. So I apologize for my stupidity.
Lily, can we at least leave on some common ground. Of the other things I listed as stupid decisions(other than tattoos), can you at least agree that they actually are stupid decisions? Basically, can we agree that there is such a thing as a stupid decision?
Can we also agree that smart people can make stupid decisions, and stupid people can make smart decisions?
Can we also agree that the way most people qualify a "smart decision" is something that is "beneficial". And that the way most people qualify a "stupid decision" is something that is "detrimental".
Can we then agree that any decision that is detrimental, or at least, significantly detrimental, or almost-always detrimental, is probably a stupid decision?
There is another thread on this forum titled, "Smoking is a disgusting, filthy habit that the public should not have to endure."
Let us pretend that the title was instead "Smoking is a stupid decision". Would it be wrong? Would you roll out countless examples of intelligent people you know who are smart and who smoke?
What you are trying to do is make a "subjectivist" argument, which basically tries to proclaim that stupid doesn't really exist, because stupid is all opinion.
But is that what you actually believe? Do you actually believe stupid doesn't exist? Do you actually think the definition of stupid cannot be objective? Or are you just saying that to argue?
But is that what you actually believe? Do you actually believe stupid doesn't exist? Do you actually think the definition of stupid cannot be objective? Or are you just saying that to argue?
well, I know I said the previous post was my last post in this thread because I was sick and tired of arguing with opinions. But since your last post is full of questions, I will try answering them.
No, I do not deny the existence of stupid decision, however, your entire argument is
"well, getting a tattoo period is a stupid decision." (implying: if you chose to get a tattoo, you made a stupid decision, period.) You honestly cannot find the flaws in your argument?
It is not all or nothing for me. I said it over and over and over again, not everybody's decision is a stupid decision. Do not paint them with one broad brush. That is all. NOBODY including you really know everybody's story, and the reason why they chose to get their tattoos.
To me, getting a tattoo is a stupid decision = personal opinion. You think it is universal truth. So, really, this discussion really goes nowhere. I am not here to change your mind, just TRY (I know it is hard, but please do try) not to paint the entire group of people with one broad brush. It just makes you appear to be...well.. judgement or too opinionated or narrow minded to say the least.
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