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Old 11-01-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
"under the jurisdiction thereof" doesn't mean "subject to the laws of Georgia", or even the laws of the United States.

It means NOT subject to the laws of any other country.

But illegal aliens are subject to the laws of the country they came from, as are their babies. Which is why the 14th amendment declares their babies are NOT citizens.

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Wow, I must have woke up in upside down world today. There is nothing in the 14th declaring that that the babies of illegal aliens are not citizens. And illegal aliens are subject to the laws of the US, if not we could not charge them with crimes or immigration violations. If you want to play constitutional scholar at least try to confirm that your statements are accurate

 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"Executive Order is not that way. "

Then why did Obama sign MORE then any previous president in history?

You DO KNOW DACA WAS an EXECUTIVE ORDER.
B...b...b..but Obama

Which amendment did this awful man void?

PS Obama did not sign more EOs than previous presidents. Not even close.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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What economic difference does it make to you if the person attending school is the child of a poor illegal immigrant or a poor legal immigrant? If the illegal immigrant family was replaced by a legal immigrant family with the same makeup, your tax burden - and the school district's budget - remains unchanged.
We have controls over legal immigration to make sure that our social services are not overwhelmed. We have no control over illegal immigration, that is the entire point. I wouldn't care how many immigrants we took in if there were no social services, like back in the days of unlimited immigration. Social services and open borders are incompatible.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD View Post
We have controls over legal immigration to make sure that our social services are not overwhelmed. We have no control over illegal immigration, That is the entire point. I wouldn't care how many immigrants we took in if there were no social services, like back in the days of unlimited immigration. Social services and open borders are incompatible.
You objected to paying to educate the children of illegal immigrants. I am simply pointing out that your property taxes are going to be the same regardless of whether the child belongs to a family of illegal immigrants v. legal immigrants or even U.S. citizens. When it comes to the amount of property taxes you pay to fund your local school district, it makes no economic difference to you either way.

Regardless, the balance of your point seems odd. I don't think anyone disagrees that open borders are incompatible with our current level social services. That is probably why we don't have open borders - and why no politician of any import has proposed that we do.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
It was a port of entry. A port of entry is a place where people are screened and either admitted into the US, or turned back.
Deported. Exactly. The US has the authority to do that because it's under US jurisdiction. Understand?

Babies born on Ellis Island to alien parents, which is/was under US jurisdiction, were NOT granted automatic 14th Amendment US citizenship. And that's a very important piece of evidence.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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The second factor is date of entry into the United States. Specifically, qualified immigrants who entered after August 22, 1996 are barred from SSI and food stamps until they become citizens and from TANF, Medicaid, and SCHIP for five years after entry. Qualified immigrants, who entered before August 22, 1996, have wider eligibility for these benefits, in part because states have elected to pay for the benefits and in part because federal legislation enacted since 1996 restored some benefits for those already in the United States. As a result, many immigrants who entered before 1996 are eligible for TANF, Medicaid, SCHIP, and SSI. Eligibility for food stamps is more restricted.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/w...-non-citizens/
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Old 11-01-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD View Post
We have controls over legal immigration to make sure that our social services are not overwhelmed. We have no control over illegal immigration, that is the entire point. I wouldn't care how many immigrants we took in if there were no social services, like back in the days of unlimited immigration. Social services and open borders are incompatible.
This is important. There are a lot of issues I would take a second look at if we would just first close and regulate our borders and immigration system. Any social benefit must have a quantifiable pool of eligible recipients and our current immigration practices do not allow for that.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Dallas, PA
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Yes, end it for visitors and vacationers. If someone is legally immigrating but not yet naturalized, then I am ok with their child born here being a citizen.
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Nonsense. Dozens of countries have Jus Soil laws.

It has been put on the agenda many times before. Who knows, maybe they will amend the Constitution one day, but the problem is that the Congress would actually have to do something other than whine.
its funny, that when the fascist liberals are talking about singlepayer they say :.."most DEVLOPED countries have some sort of singlepayer"... and say do you want to be like Argentina
Uruguay, Chile, and Panama that don't have it


yet...


for birth right. they just say "Dozens of countries have Jus Soil laws"....


meanwhile by their singlepayer STANDARD... only 2... the US and Canada


liberals will spin and lie to get their agenda
 
Old 11-01-2018, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Babies born on Ellis Island to alien parents, which is/was under US jurisdiction, were NOT granted automatic 14th Amendment US citizenship. And that's a very important piece of evidence.
Well, why don't you raise a stink about it and claim they violated the Constitution. Maybe someone already did. To the rest of us it makes sense that a port of entry would be an exception since those people were never admitted into the US, but instead turned back. The 14th amendment says persons born in US are citizens.
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