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Old 11-03-2018, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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It's a shame some people can't at least attempt to offer a proper answer to a legitimate question.

Repping those that did (if I can), regardless of which side of the aisle you're on.


Pro: I wanted to think of something that Trump had actually achieved well, that I could uniquely attribute to Trump and that wasn't a holdover from a previous President or could be attributed to someone else.
My first thought was that he has drawn attention to the opioid crisis, however I don't see any evidence that he's actually done anything about that yet, so can that be said to be something that he has done well? Not sure.

My next thought would be the economy which undoubtedly has had a strong boost under Trump. Even though the right will not give Obama any credit for digging America out of the hole left by Bush, I do give Trump credit for accelerating matters. However I do not approve of the way he has gone about it. So I give him credit with a few caveats. Sorry I thought hard about it - that really is the best I can do on the pro side.



Con: I just detest the way he has handled the immigration issue from every angle. I think he has handled the whole thing incredibly badly from start to finish. From the 'they're rapists' comment about Mexicans, the executive order right at the beginning stopping people coming in from Muslim countries, the appalling lack of communication, the separation of children from parents at the borders with no plan in place to reunite them, the lies and scare tactics about refugees. There are ways to solve issues without resorting to the sort of inhumane and divisive tactics employed in the last 2 years.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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That pro is what makes insurance for people who have pre-existing conditions to pay higher premiums. Think about how insurance actually works. When everyone is covered, the premiums will be lower for those who are ill and higher for those who are healthy, but that is the point. The risk needs to be spread. When you buy insurance, you transfer the cost of a potential loss to the insurance company in exchange for a fee, known as the premium. Insurance companies invest the funds securely, so it can grow, and pay out when there’s a claim.
Lower? No. We were forced to,have it and when we did get it, it wasn’t affordable not even close to being affordable. People shouldn’t be forced to have insurance even more so when they can’t afford it. It might of helped some but it didn’t help everyone.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:36 PM
 
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Objectively, only stock market matters.

If Obama's bull market run was ruined, then there is no question the economy is going down, since the stock market is a leading indicator. Being tough on China is subjective, because one has to win.
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Old 11-03-2018, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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It's a shame some people can't at least attempt to offer a proper answer to a legitimate question.

Repping those that did (if I can), regardless of which side of the aisle you're on.


Pro: I wanted to think of something that Trump had actually achieved well, that I could uniquely attribute to Trump and that wasn't a holdover from a previous President or could be attributed to someone else.
My first thought was that he has drawn attention to the opioid crisis, however I don't see any evidence that he's actually done anything about that yet, so can that be said to be something that he has done well? Not sure.

My next thought would be the economy which undoubtedly has had a strong boost under Trump. Even though the right will not give Obama any credit for digging America out of the hole left by Bush, I do give Trump credit for accelerating matters. However I do not approve of the way he has gone about it. So I give him credit with a few caveats. Sorry I thought hard about it - that really is the best I can do on the pro side.



Con: I just detest the way he has handled the immigration issue from every angle. I think he has handled the whole thing incredibly badly from start to finish. From the 'they're rapists' comment about Mexicans, the executive order right at the beginning stopping people coming in from Muslim countries, the appalling lack of communication, the separation of children from parents at the borders with no plan in place to reunite them, the lies and scare tactics about refugees. There are ways to solve issues without resorting to the sort of inhumane and divisive tactics employed in the last 2 years.
Actually, a very intelligent, well thought out post !
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Old 11-04-2018, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I agree with Trump on some of his immigration policies. I'm for a merit system and oppose sanctuary cities, and chain migration. It's disappointing that he has done just that with Melania's family and what he did on the border with the family separation policy was just plain evil. He does have some good ideas with NAFTA. Kudos there.

What I can't get passed is the flagrant corruption. The destruction of the environment for the benefit of the one percent. The deficit exploding tax break for the one percent. The flagrant lies. His sleazy business connections and porn star popping infidelity. The classlessness and lowering the bar of the presidency. The continued convictions and sentencing of his inner circle. His emoluments lawsuit, and nepotism as if the white house was a family run business.

Is there good? Yes, but who wants to sell their soul or country to the devil?
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Old 11-04-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire
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Removed government regulations. Renegotiated trade deals with Europe, Mexico, Canada. Working on renegotiating deal with China. Wants to actually enforce immigration LAW! Better relations with North Korea. 2 conservative supreme court justices. Resisting the FRAUD known as anthropogenic climate change. Result: Unemployment at lows not seen in decades. GDP 4.2% in July. Current: 51% Presidential approval rating versus 47% who disapprove. Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports® List of Trump's accomplishments that the media doesn't want you to see... https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-adm...complishments/
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Old 11-04-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think this should be called 'The Phantom Thread.'

What Trump does well? He sells and lies well (and usually at the same time).

What he does poorly--everything a president is supposed to do.
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Old 11-04-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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Pro: He brought most of the stealth racists out in the open. Bravo!

Con: Too numerous to mention. A true waste of good air.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Anyone familiar with my posts already knows what I consider cons, so I won't enumerate them here.

Pro: I really liked the ideas Trump put forward regarding infrastructure during the campaign. It was one thing he said that I truly agreed with and actually believed he might do, since his fortune was built on...well...building things. Unfortunately, I've heard very little about it since then. That money he wants for The Wall could replace or repair a lot of crumbling bridges.

Weak, I know. I tried. *sigh*
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Pro: Mr. Trump gave the forgotten Americans a voice. I don't necessarily agree with what that voice says, or how that voice expresses itself, but there is no doubt that Mr. Trump has empowered those forgotten Americans to speak out. And they have. I am glad to see that all Americans, not just the coastal elites, have a voice. Perhaps now, no American will be afraid to say, "Hey, wait a minute. I think..." And they should be listened to. I hope that Americans never forget to speak up, and question their government; regardless of which side they are on.

Con: Mr. Trump's lies. He has lied about NAFTA and Canada's and Mexico's role in that agreement. He has lied about trade deficits. He has lied and encouraged panic about the peaceful Honduran caravan looking for simple asylum, though these caravans have happened before, and the US has calmly handled them before. He said that North Korea would "denuclearize"--whatever that means. Yet North Korea is not giving up its nuclear missiles. It seems to me that Mr. Trump lies to the American people every chance he gets, as long as it makes him look like he's doing something, and most especially, makes him look good.

'Nuff said for now. Any more remarks would be straying from the OP's question.
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