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Old 12-02-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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Stalin won WWII--not the U.S.
No, no he didn't but the Russians did play a major major role.

FYI- US supplies to Russia.

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The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel,[24] 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production.[24] One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.[47]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-L...e_Soviet_Union

I'm extremely appreciatitve of the Russian sacrifice (after first teaming up with Hitler to tag-team Poland etc.) but anyone that is well read on the topic knows that Russias great contribution would have failed without the US and British (see link) support nor vice-versa.

Happy to have an educated discussion about this further if you have other insights. Thanks.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Since no one else has asked you why it was not justified, I will. If you have something to teach me, feel free to do so now.
Because neither the Germans nor the Japanese were a threat to U.S. mainland sovereignty. The rate of firearm ownership, plus the willingness to use them, ensured that. It's why no country has invaded the U.S. since 1812.

The U.S. could've maintained its neutrality, but FDR was desperate to get out of the Depression, so he deliberately provoked the Japanese repeatedly but cutting off oil supplies (at the time the U.S. controlled over 90% of the world's oil supply), among other things (meddling in China, for instance). He knew these provocations would eventually cause the Emperor to lash out, but continued to do so, even after he was repeatedly warned the Japanese were planning on retaliating.

Google "McCollum Memo."

As I said in another post, Hitler was no threat to U.S. either, as he knew the Reich wouldn't stand a chance against a heavily armed American populace.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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Of which FDR was well aware ahead of time was going to happen, and allowed it to happen, in order to finally drag the U.S. out of the Great Depression.
After the U.S. was attacked by Japan, FDR did not declare war on Germany only on Japan. Hitler declared war on the U.S. first.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Of which FDR was well aware ahead of time was going to happen, and allowed it to happen, in order to finally drag the U.S. out of the Great Depression.
That is a Myth.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Without USA Russia would have lost. Why else was Stalin bitching about a lack of a second front and demanding more material.
The Soviets pretty much defeated the Germans singlehandedly. The Nazis were ill-prepared for a Russian winter, and they got their asses handed to them.

Stalin was just being the whiny little dictator he always was.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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That's a short-sighted viewpoint. If he would have developed the A-bomb first, those few of us that survived would be speaking German today.
Not sort-sighted at all.

The U.S. developed the A-bomb first, and those who survived in Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't predominately English speakers.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Because neither the Germans nor the Japanese were a threat to U.S. mainland sovereignty. The rate of firearm ownership, plus the willingness to use them, ensured that. It's why no country has invaded the U.S. since 1812.

The U.S. could've maintained its neutrality, but FDR was desperate to get out of the Depression, so he deliberately provoked the Japanese repeatedly but cutting off oil supplies (at the time the U.S. controlled over 90% of the world's oil supply), among other things (meddling in China, for instance). He knew these provocations would eventually cause the Emperor to lash out, but continued to do so, even after he was repeatedly warned the Japanese were planning on retaliating.

Google "McCollum Memo."

As I said in another post, Hitler was no threat to U.S. either, as he knew the Reich wouldn't stand a chance against a heavily armed American populace.
Hitler was so stupid, he declared war on the USA. Apparently he did not get the memo from his General staff they could not invade the USA.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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No, no he didn't but the Russians did play a major major role.

FYI- US supplies to Russia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-L...e_Soviet_Union

I'm extremely appreciatitve of the Russian sacrifice (after first teaming up with Hitler to tag-team Poland etc.) but anyone that is well read on the topic knows that Russias great contribution would have failed without the US and British (see link) support nor vice-versa.

Happy to have an educated discussion about this further if you have other insights. Thanks.
We all supplied the Nazi line to slow down the Russian advance.

Don't kid yourself, Russia won the war.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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No, no he didn't but the Russians did play a major major role.

FYI- US supplies to Russia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-L...e_Soviet_Union

I'm extremely appreciatitve of the Russian sacrifice (after first teaming up with Hitler to tag-team Poland etc.) but anyone that is well read on the topic knows that Russias great contribution would have failed without the US and British (see link) support nor vice-versa.

Happy to have an educated discussion about this further if you have other insights. Thanks.
Well some missed this post.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:52 PM
 
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Not sort-sighted at all.

The U.S. developed the A-bomb first, and those who survived in Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't predominately English speakers.
What a silly comparison. Atom bomb technology under the control of a US president isn't even in the same universe as atom bomb technology under the control of Hitler. Get real.
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