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Old 12-02-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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This (government plan) began with a tax collected for Social Security (retirement plan) and Medicare (health care in retirement years). What else do we want the federal government to (tax) mandate its citizens to purchase before we say they've gone to far into our earnings? I'm just curious if there is a stopping point anytime in the near future.
Way to go for cherrypicking corner cases....

There are exceptions to EVERYTHING.. and I mean everything. Most of us don't fall under those categories and the cost of police and fire department are covered by tax dollars... mandatory tax dollars.


Again.. read my posts. If you want optional health care insurance, then like all businesses the hospitals should be able to deny services. The line is drawn were we are able to tolerate denial of services. Me personally, I'm ok with letting people die on the streets if they didn't do diligence to be responsible.

What you want is what we have already.... Don't touch my income but I demand goods/services. That only leads to rise in costs for everyone who actually do pay.

I'm ok with optional OR mandatory health care insurance as long as hospitals' obligations coincide....
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:33 PM
 
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I don't understand your point about white privilege.
I understand his point. Think about it.

You do realize that Obamacare royally screwed a lot of people right? It screwed people who are not poor enough to get help but not rich either, the same people who are always screwed when gov't says they are here to help.

The poor get gov't help that comes in many forms, the rich skirt around having to pay for it, and the guy in the middle gets screwed with your bill plus paying for their own.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:36 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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I have great coverage through my company. I don't pay anything out of my paycheck and my deductible is $3K per year. I also contribute to an HSA account pretax.
Good for you. A lot of us work for lousy companies who don't care about their employees hence the NEED for Obamacare. Because the Republican alternative health care plan is . . .
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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My employer made a reduction in my healthcare in preparation for the so called Cadillac Tax on quality coverage.

Thanks Obama!

At least we will all have mediocre at best coverage together - except for you elites!
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Way to go for cherrypicking corner cases....

There are exceptions to EVERYTHING.. and I mean everything. Most of us don't fall under those categories and the cost of police and fire department are covered by tax dollars... mandatory tax dollars.


Again.. read my posts. If you want optional health care insurance, then like all businesses the hospitals should be able to deny services. The line is drawn were we are able to tolerate denial of services. Me personally, I'm ok with letting people die on the streets if they didn't do diligence to be responsible.

What you want is what we have already.... Don't touch my income but I demand goods/services. That only leads to rise in costs for everyone who actually do pay.
I should not have side tracked you, sorry for that ...


This (government plan) began with a tax collected for Social Security (retirement plan) and Medicare (health care in retirement years). What else do we want the federal government to (tax) mandate its citizens to purchase before we say they've gone to far into our earnings? I'm just curious if there is a stopping point anytime in the near future.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:38 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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I understand his point. Think about it.

You do realize that Obamacare royally screwed a lot of people right? It screwed the people who always get screwed, They are not poor enough and not rich enough.
Sure... but people aren't necessarily also free from guilt. The blame lies in part on the people. That's how insurance works. I worked for a larger company which the pool was greater and thus liability spread without too much rise in cost. I now work for a smaller company and the pool is small.. thus the cost is higher.

It is the voters decisions and their general lack of understanding of how insurance works that leads us to the current issues. Both parties are guilty of this as they both represent their constituents without educating them.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I've paid in to the system my whole life. And I'm glad I was able to do so. And I'm still doing so.
Obamacare hasn't been around that long so, no, you didn't pay into Obamacare your whole life.

If I got back what I paid into premiums under the old standard, and didn't need, I could be a millionaire playing stocks.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:42 PM
 
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Good for you. A lot of us work for lousy companies who don't care about their employees hence the NEED for Obamacare. Because the Republican alternative health care plan is . . .
Ba ha ha ha, it always cracks me up when someone says "they don't care".

Did you care enough about yourself to invest in yourself or did you think that you were going to live the good life on low income?
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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I understand his point. Think about it.

You do realize that Obamacare royally screwed a lot of people right? It screwed the people who always get screwed, They are not poor enough and not rich enough.
It's a flawed system. No doubt.
I wish we had something better.

But I'm thankful for it.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:44 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Sure... but people aren't necessarily also free from guilt. The blame lies in part on the people. That's how insurance works. I worked for a larger company which the pool was greater and thus liability spread without too much rise in cost. I now work for a smaller company and the pool is small.. thus the cost is higher.

It is the voters decisions and their general lack of understanding of how insurance works that leads us to the current issues. Both parties are guilty of this as they both represent their constituents without educating them.
What else do we want the federal government to (tax) mandate its citizens to purchase before we say they've gone to far into our earnings? I'm just curious if there is a stopping point anytime in the near future.
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