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Is making it harder and harder to win anything in 2020.
It was a longshot as it sits before the shutdown, but they are stupidly shooting themselves in the foot e very single day that insist on this petty obstructionist nonsense. Why dont they see that?
Probably don't see it, because that is not the reality.
It seems highly unlikely, illogical and improbable that this would hurt the Dems more than Trump.
Sixty percent of the country does not want the wall and especially not a $5 billion wall at all. Seventy-five percent of the country does not want the government shut down over a wall.
Seems the people are with the Dems, and over half of the country blames Trump for the shut down. Trump is going to be giving a very unconvincing SOTU if he has to give it during a shutdown of his own making.
And we can stop pretending it's the Dems fault. Trump has made deals and welshed so many time--nobody even believes him. His word is definitely not his bond. He is not a man of honor. He is also a total nutjob--that does not help.
This wall issue is a political joke IMO. Why not fund all the homeless/impoverished people in this country with the billions wanted for the wall? You can do other things to tighten border security, of which I have no answer for but believe could be done for much cheaper.
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Originally Posted by ELOrocks17
Is making it harder and harder to win anything in 2020.
It was a longshot as it sits before the shutdown, but they are stupidly shooting themselves in the foot e very single day that insist on this petty obstructionist nonsense. Why dont they see that?
Why don't you see Trump is at least as guilty of "petty obstructionist nonsense"?
Is making it harder and harder to win anything in 2020.
It was a longshot as it sits before the shutdown, but they are stupidly shooting themselves in the foot e very single day that insist on this petty obstructionist nonsense. Why dont they see that?
Well, let's look at the other side of the coin. Every day that DONALD TRUMP holds out because of his unreasonable demand for money for a stupid wall, he shoots himself in the foot a little more.
All those laid off government employees vote, and they are NOT going to forget who "proudly took responsibility" for this mess.
Ever wonder where the idea for the wall came from? Did Trump do some research on it, or did he talk to experts? no, it seems that he said what Roger Stone, Sam Nunberg and Steve Bannon told him to say. They were afraid that Trump would forget to push illegal immigration at his rallies so they gave the simpleton an easy way to remember to bring it up, just say "build the wall". Isn't that reassuring?
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The concept of the Wall did not click right away with the candidate. “Initially, Trump seemed indifferent to the idea,” writes Green. “But in January 2015, he tried it out at the Iowa Freedom Summit, a presidential cattle call put on by David Bossie’s group, Citizens United. ‘One of his pledges was, ‘I will build a Wall,’ and the place just went nuts,’ said Nunberg. Warming to the concept, Trump waited a beat and then added a flourish that brought down the house. ‘Nobody,’ he said, ‘builds like Trump.’”
Roger Stone and Sam Nunberg are political consultants. Neither man has claimed expertise in immigration policy, particularly the complex issue of deterring individuals from attempting to enter the United States illegally. While Stone and Nunberg have their supporters, both have also experienced their share of controversies, including Stone admitting in December 2018, as part of a legal settlement, to “spreading lies” on the Alex Jones InfoWars program. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta.../#23c3f0144156
My thread about Nancy Pelosi saying the wall was an immorality got merged into this one after it was a dozen pages or so long.
I know mods want to keep multiple threads on the same topic down but when so many get merged into one it makes it impossible to keep track of in any coherent way.....and why they in their infinite wisdom think that one big long, disjointed thread that's impossible to keep track of is better than multiple threads..... I have no idea....
And I still don't know how what Nancy said about it being an immorality had anything to do with this threads original topic of Mexico paying for it?
Their blind hatred prevents them from seeing any rational views to move the country forward in a positive way.
People in holes (aka those without facts) should stop digging. Those who are willfully ignorant are not those to whom you point.
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