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Old 01-09-2019, 11:27 PM
 
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Huh? There is no difference if they cross the northern or southern border. Explain why you think that is not true.

1. Airfare for 1 person or a family

2. Visa
3 Passport
4. A record of non return from Canada on a short term visa
5. Not being able to repeat the trip due to visa over stay




So, it cost a lot more, because of having to purchase a plane ticket. And the red tape of a visa. And having to get a passport. And having a record of violating that visa. And never being able to take the same route back home to go to visit a dying mother.



Huh?

 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:27 PM
 
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Arrests of those crossing the border illegally has fallen drastically since 2000. Yet if you listen to conservatives, Fox News, and all the other right wing media, you would think it just keeps getting worse.

But the facts are, illegal crossings have falling dramatically since 2000, with arrests on the southern border dropping over 50%. Over 1 million arrests were fairly normal from 2000-2006, but by 2009 had fallen below 500,000 and since then many years have had under 400,000 according to US Customs.

The DEA has stated that most of the drug flow coming into the country is coming through legal checkpoints hidden among legal items.

Several studies show that US citizens are far more likely to commit violent crimes than illegals. On top of that, violent crime in the US has gone down dramatically in the last 30 years, a 36% decrease from 1990 levels. Some might not think thats the case because traditional and social media outlets spread news of violent crime because it gets them a lot of attention.

So how bad is the situation at the border if:

-crossings are down 60%+ since 2000
-most drugs are coming through legal checkpoints
-violent crime is down substantially for the last 30 years and illegals are less likely to do it than citizens


Regardless of whether or not you support the wall, do you think the border is in chaos as Trump claims? Or do you think he is ratcheting up the rhetoric to try and build more support?
1. those numbers are based on arrests, not actual illegal crossings

2. 500k annually, even 400k annually is over 30k monthly..way too high

3. trump actually understated the rape problem..he said 30%..its actually 60% of the females in the caravans have been raped

4 most drugs come through the porous areas, not the checkpoints...unless you are saying that border patrol is inept

5. illgeals are more likely to commit violent crime
 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:30 PM
 
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1. those numbers are based on arrests, not actual illegal crossings

2. 500k annually, even 400k annually is over 30k monthly..way too high

3. trump actually understated the rape problem..he said 30%..its actually 60% of the females in the caravans have been raped

4 most drugs come through the porous areas, not the checkpoints...unless you are saying that border patrol is inept

5. illgeals are more likely to commit violent crime
You need to provide links to these assertions.
 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:33 PM
 
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All said and done. What has everyone been talking about for the last month? Border security, illegal immigration, and the wall. Trump is controlling the political narrative for a month and counting. Think about that. It's kind of impressive.
 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:35 PM
 
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All said and done. What has everyone been talking about for the last month? Border security, illegal immigration, and the wall. Trump is controlling the political narrative for a month and counting. Think about that. It's kind of impressive.
Not at all. What has he accomplished? Nothing. Doing nothing is not at all impressive.
 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:57 PM
 
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The problem isn't only at the border. Schools where illegal immigrants congregate have a high percentage of ESOL students which in turn lower the caliber of the classroom instruction for American children. Beyond that, they often double and triple up families in single-family homes, and that, added to the lowered quality of the schools, hurts property values.

The negative impact of illegal immigrants, unable to support themselves without living 15 people to a house, is far-reaching.
Yes! And this isn't limited to border states.

My step son lives on Long Island. His daughter needs special instruction relative to a minor learning disability. It became clear she wasn't getting it and wasn't making progress.

When they asked to meet with her teachers, they were told the school was overwhelmed with the need to teach English as a second language to children of illegal immigrants.

American children whose families have been here for generations and shed blood, sweat and tears to build and defend this country are being short changed for children who are American citizens only because their parents crossed the border illegally.

Additionally, there's a town down the road where property values were destroyed because of illegals hanging on street corners looking for employment by whomever is picking them up as day laborers.
 
Old 01-09-2019, 11:59 PM
 
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Not at all. What has he accomplished? Nothing. Doing nothing is not at all impressive.

we have yet to see.
 
Old 01-10-2019, 12:05 AM
 
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Yes! And this isn't limited to border states.

My step son lives on Long Island. His daughter needs special instruction relative to a minor learning disability. It became clear she wasn't getting it and wasn't making progress.

When they asked to meet with her teachers, they were told the school was overwhelmed with the need to teach English as a second language to children of illegal immigrants.

American children whose families have been here for generations and shed blood, sweat and tears to build and defend this country are being short changed for children who are American citizens only because their parents crossed the border illegally.

Additionally, there's a town down the road where property values were destroyed because of illegals hanging on street corners looking for employment by whomever is picking them up as day laborers.
Okay. Here is my observation. I live in a predominately reulican community. Its and HOA and and the HOA does lawn maintenance. It is all mexicans.

The community is 25 years olds so all roofs are at their life expentancy. All contractorsuse Mexicans.

I have never heard of one homeowner questioning the legal status of these workers.
 
Old 01-10-2019, 12:08 AM
 
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[quote=FelixTheCat;54105576]That's a medium sized city every year.[/QUOTE

I live in a central florida town of 30,000. Its about 13 of my town every year. Over ten years that would be 130 small towns usa.

That's nuts.

Think about how many small and medium sized towns the current population of illegals represent.

These illegals are sucking up resources that belong to American citizens.

If we need some portion of them here for labor then we should ensure they are following a legal path to work.

North and south of the town I live in are towns that have virtually been taken over by illegals. They are crime ridden and drug infested chit shows. Yes hard working people live there as well, but both towns are hell holes and the hard workers are as much victims as anyone else.

What happens in border towns, doesn't tell the whole story of what happens to the country at large when illegals fan out into the rest of the country and congregate with friends/relatives/former citizens of their same country or simply parts of the country that most resemble their former geography/climate.
 
Old 01-10-2019, 12:20 AM
 
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That's a medium sized city every year.[/QUOTE

I live in a central florida town of 30,000. Its about 13 of my town every year. Over ten years that would be 130 small towns usa.

That's nuts.

Think about how many small and medium sized towns the current population of illegals represent.

These illegals are sucking up resources that belong to American citizens.

If we need some portion of them here for labor then we should ensure they are following a legal path to work.

North and south of the town I live in are towns that have virtually been taken over by illegals. They are crime ridden and drug infested chit shows. Yes hard working people live there as well, but both towns are hell holes and the hard workers are as much victims as anyone else.

What happens in border towns, doesn't tell the whole story of what happens to the country at large when illegals fan out into the rest of the country and congregate with friends/relatives/former citizens of their same country or simply parts of the country that most resemble their former geography/climate.

Yeah, I know. Illegal Immigration isn't an event. It's a multi decade system.



And it's not just Democrats promoting it, it's Republicans going along. It's the ruling class wanting surfs. They want the illegals to be surfs and the lower 50% of Americans too. Either as cheap workers or as voters.
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