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Of course Venezuela is not a pure study in Democratic socialism because of the dictatorship.
And it is insulting to the intelligence of this country for folks to throw this out as an example of democratic socialism and expect us to fall for it.
The hypocrisy of the right wingers here is that they only choose the "socialist" countries that fit their narrative, and redefine socialism on a whim to suit whatever purpose they want.
If you try to tell them, "Socialism works great in Canada, Denmark and other northern European nations," they will try to tell you that those nations aren't really "socialist." You can reply, in turn, that, "OK, then California and other liberal states aren't trying to be "socialist" like Venezuela, what they really want is to be like Canada or Denmark, which according to you *isn't* socialist."
Sadly, that is quickly lost on them and, the next day or next week or next month, they will come right back and accuse California or Massachusetts or whatever of becoming "socialist" like Venezuela. They will completely (and conveniently) forget that, just a short while ago, they were told by the very same liberals championing liberalism in California or Massachusetts, that the model isn't Venezuela but Canada or Denmark. Compounding their pathetic-ness, some other time later they will completely forget the entire exchange and come right back and tell us that Canada and northern Europe really are socialist, and for some reason that makes things horrible there.
So, hopefully (but probably in futility) I will hereby make the following clarification as loud as the forum software will allow:
The model for states like California, Massachusetts and other liberal states, and potentially the entirety of the US, is not "socialist" Venezuela but "socialist" northern Europe or Canada.
Someone doesn't understand Socialism. Denmark is a great capitalist nation so yes, they also prove that Venezuela's Democratic Socialism doesn't work as well in comparison to capitalist Denmark.
Someone doesn't understand Socialism. Denmark is a great capitalist nation so yes, they also prove that Venezuela's Democratic Socialism doesn't work as well in comparison to capitalist Denmark.
It would appear you didn't read my other post. If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, the portion in red will suffice.
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The hypocrisy of the right wingers here is that they only choose the "socialist" countries that fit their narrative, and redefine socialism on a whim to suit whatever purpose they want.
If you try to tell them, "Socialism works great in Canada, Denmark and other northern European nations," they will try to tell you that those nations aren't really "socialist." You can reply, in turn, that, "OK, then California and other liberal states aren't trying to be "socialist" like Venezuela, what they really want is to be like Canada or Denmark, which according to you *isn't* socialist."
Sadly, that is quickly lost on them and, the next day or next week or next month, they will come right back and accuse California or Massachusetts or whatever of becoming "socialist" like Venezuela. They will completely (and conveniently) forget that, just a short while ago, they were told by the very same liberals championing liberalism in California or Massachusetts, that the model isn't Venezuela but Canada or Denmark. Compounding their pathetic-ness, some other time later they will completely forget the entire exchange and come right back and tell us that Canada and northern Europe really are socialist, and for some reason that makes things horrible there.
So, hopefully (but probably in futility) I will hereby make the following clarification as loud as the forum software will allow:
The model for states like California, Massachusetts and other liberal states, and potentially the entirety of the US, is not "socialist" Venezuela but "socialist" northern Europe or Canada.
If our youngest congresswoman is a socialist then let socialism's failures rest on her head. Socialism by the book is government ownership of the major industries and that is a recipe for failure.
Here is a quote from an article identified below: "Social democracy, on the other hand, has developed independently from socialism and Marxism. It shares a lot with that ideological movement of course, but doesn’t really fall under the umbrella term of socialism. It started out in Northern Europe mostly as a worker’s rights movement, but has since become one of the two or three mainstream establishment ideologies in most European countries, along with liberalism and Christian democracy/conservatism."
"The key difference between the two here is the degree of acceptance of Marxist theory and the premise that capitalism must necessarily go. While democratic socialism advocates converting a society from capitalism to a communist society through democratic means, social democracy supports maintaing the capitalist framework, and working inside it, using economic and political interventions and government regulations/services to help the working class."
If you have read the article you can see that a mere reversal of the two words has all of the significance in the world.
It is a society that takes care of its worker which is far more than we have in the United States.
It would appear you didn't read my other post. If you're too lazy to read the whole thing, the portion in red will suffice.
I'm fine with states like Cali, NY, Mass using the northern Euro model of capitalism if that's what they vote to do, in fact, I would encourage them to do so.
If our young want to significantly lower their incomes and wealth by adopting this model nationally, that will be their choice in the future....I'll be dead or too old to care at that point.
Denmark is too tiny to compare to the USA and they also are an oil exporting country so again, better to compare them to Kuwait.
The nation in the EU that is closest to our size is Germany....average wealth in Germany is less than 30% of the USA:
Denmark has very little oil. You're probably thinking of Norway.
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If our young want to significantly lower their incomes and wealth by adopting this model nationally...
But you just said ...
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Denmark is a great capitalist nation ...
If Denmark is a "great capitalist nation," why would it be such a bad thing to adopt its model?
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