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Old 01-15-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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VZ never had Democratic Socialism. It began as populism and transitioned into Dictatorship. All that socialism talk was just riling up the Chavez base who were the masses living in poverty.
LOL.... thanks for the laugh.

 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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Well.. living in a Social Democracy with Social Democratic parties, I can say its a brilliant country!!

What ever Venezuala has morphed into, is NOT a Social Democracy.


Again, right wingers are catching on that Northern Europe are Social Democracies and constantly been the best countries EVER to live in, they try to connect those words, with a country gone towards total dictatorship.

A year or two ago, they called Western Europe for socialist countries.. Now they are atleast trying a bit harder and calling them by the correct name, Social Democracies. Whatever else they are doing afterwards is completely disingenuous.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Socialism doesn't work.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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Socialism doesn't work.
I’ve got a few broken records that you can borrow.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:31 AM
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Well.. living in a Social Democracy with Social Democratic parties, I can say its a brilliant country!!

What ever Venezuala has morphed into, is NOT a Social Democracy.


Again, right wingers are catching on that Northern Europe are Social Democracies and constantly been the best countries EVER to live in, they try to connect those words, with a country gone towards total dictatorship.


A year or two ago, they called Western Europe for socialist countries.. Now they are atleast trying a bit harder and calling them by the correct name, Social Democracies. Whatever else they are doing afterwards is completely disingenuous.

You realize in Europe the highest tax bracket is 55%, unlike most progressives here that are calling for 70% and upwards.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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Venezuela will figure it out. And if they don’t, it’s nothing to us regardless.
It's a lesson that socialism will destroy an economy and nation.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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Nicolas Maduro was sworn in for his second term as president last Thursday. He had been elected with 68% of the vote, but the election was widely decried as being rigged. Hugo Chavez, who was much more popular than his protégé Maduro, got 63% in 2007, then a record margin in Venezuela. That election was certified by the OAS, and monitored by the Carter Center. This election was not. Fourteen countries including the US have said that they will not recognize the Maduro Presidency because of election irregularities.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46821653

In short, once-socialist-democratic Venezuela appears to have devolved into a socialist dictatorship. Maduro has been widely unpopular due to the shattered economy. Venezuela was once the richest country in South America.

President Maduro recently blocked all access to Wikipedia after a post appeared that he did not like.
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/i...icle-1.6831777

Hugo Chavez brought in 'democratic socialism' in 1998, and indeed did carry out everything he did via democracy. He lost few elections; when he did, he would throw a tantrum, but mostly would abide by the results.

I have to admit that I was excited when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez came along. She is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, a group that does believe in true socialism (collective ownership of the means of production). But I'm having second thoughts these days. Here is yet another example of a country adopting socialism, only to morph into dictatorship and tyranny.

Wow, I figured you were all about a society like this....
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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According to one book I read, Maduro was mostly chosen by Chavez because Maduro would endure Chavez's sarcastic put-downs without complaint. Maybe Chavez felt guilty. Maduro is a former bus driver with zero college education.
Maduro grabbed the foreign assets in the country and then doled out money to remain popular.

I can understand the frustration that lead to him coming to power but like with the Czars, sometimes the new boss is just as bad as the old boss.

The problem with asset grabs is that there is no reinvestment and their oil production and willingness for companies to do business there only to have their stuff taken meant that Venezuela started on a severe economic downward trajectory.

I predicted even before Maduro came to power that he'd get left holding the bag for Chavez's policies.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Regulation is not dictatorship and tyranny. You realize that, right?
When guns, robbery and cages are involved it is.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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VZ never had Democratic Socialism. It began as populism and transitioned into Dictatorship. All that socialism talk was just riling up the Chavez base who were the masses living in poverty.
Yep. When it becomes about the leader and not the system of government then it doesn’t matter what country it is, your in a dictatorship. All that socialism talk was to get the people on his side, then you pull the rug out and seize power. That is why we better hope congress grows a backbone both when in and out of power or we could have a president that Executive Orders his way to full control in 20 years. Presidents have pushed the line to executive power since Regan.
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