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So what is this money supposedly buying? Does anyone know? Trump can't even make up his mind how much he wants. First it was $1.7 billion. Then $5 billion. Then $5.7 billion. Now it's $7 billion. And what exactly does he want anyway? Besides a wall, that is. And what material wall does he want? Concrete? Steel? Glass? Stone? Brick? Plastic? Papier-mache? How high? How thick? And where?
And does he want soldiers surrounding it? Surveillance cameras? Drones? Border patrol agents? Razor wire? Humpty Dumpty? Since we're paying for it and not Mexico (yet another lie told many times by Trump,) America has a right to know EXACTLY what we will be getting with these billions of dollars.
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Originally Posted by FelixTheCat
It's not that complicated. Many miles of wall has already been built. The only barrier to more miles being built is funding. The rest is details.
As I posted above, the exact details are what I want. Doesn't anyone else? We would be paying for it.
An "emergency" isn't just whatever Trump want to term an emergency.
An emergency is something like Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
LOL, no, that is not correct. There have been a number of 'emergency' declarations over the years, its not really a big deal, but I assume they will make this emergency out to be something HUGE (and I mean BOTH sides will).
There is no way that there is an emergency at the border. Border crossings have been going down for several years, and most drugs come in at check points. If this was truly an emergency, he would have declared it so two years ago, upon assuming the presidency. Any growing of the feeling of emergency is all in peoples' minds. This baseless emergency is completely in the minds of those who have worked up their fear to a fevered pitch. The only "emergency" is that Trump's base will be unhappy if he doesn't build his vanity wall.
It's not that complicated. Many miles of wall has already been built. The only barrier to more miles being built is funding. The rest is details.
Yes, it is that complicated. Have you ever been to Big Bend, in Texas? Impossible to build a wall there. Lots of land in private hands along the border. Lots of mountains, and difficult areas to build in, not to mention the destruction of sensitive landscapes, and the lawsuits that will be fought to preserve those. Lots of complications. The easy parts have been built.
There is no way that there is an emergency at the border. Border crossings have been going down for several years, and most drugs come in at checkpoints. If this was truly an emergency, he would have declared it so two years ago, upon assuming the presidency. Any growing of the feeling of emergency is all in peoples' minds. This baseless emergency is completely in the minds of those who have worked up their fear to a fevered pitch. The only "emergency" is that Trump's base will be unhappy if he doesn't build his vanity wall.
when we have over 20 million illegals in our country and we have no clue of who they are and where they are, that's an emergency.
and most drugs that we bust are at the checkpoints.....we don't know what comes in by the other entries since we can't count what we can't bust.
that's like saying most people that I bust trying to come to my house is by the front door because I catch them......since I don't know how many people bust in the back door and windows then I don't know.
Yes, it is that complicated. Have you ever been to Big Bend, in Texas? Impossible to build a wall there. Lots of land in private hands along the border. Lots of mountains, and difficult areas to build in, not to mention the destruction of sensitive landscapes, and the lawsuits that will be fought to preserve those. Lots of complications. The easy parts have been built.
give Border Patrol and Homeland Security what they need to do their jobs......they say the wall is needed in many areas and more patrol agents and other things......that's 1 phase of immigration reform.
if they say it works and that's what they need then why argue with the experts? they know better than anybody including you.
What Trump is doing is on far shakier ground and sets a far more dangerous precedent than DACA. Yes DACA expansion was on iffy grounds constitutionally under the various immigration statutes, but using emergency powers for a non-emergency is setting a precedent that will be used at some point by a president who fancies himself dictator and I wouldn't rule out Trump being the one to try it.
Lets say for the sake of argument you have valid concerns regarding the aforementioned. I find it funny how you equivocate on Obama being on "iffy grounds" regarding his EO's, but not with Trump.
Liberals say there is no emergency, yet caravans of thousands of non-American people (most young men) are headed toward our border, intending on breaking our laws with undoubtedly a percentage of criminals and leaches among them (not to mention potential gangs members & terrorists), and you do not consider that an emergency.
If those coming were intent on invading your city/town and bringing all the need for resources and potential crime to your doorstep, you'd likely feel very differently.
Yet you and others seem to lack empathy for those fellow American citizens who will have to deal with such things.
Liberals seem to worry about how criminals in jail are treated, and minorities who might be unfairly targeted by LE.
Yet few seem to care about law abiding America citizens who must deal with all the ills that illegal aliens bring to our country.
Why is that?
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Trump was telling us more than 3 years ago we needed a wall and only NOW it's an emergency? He'd better be able to point to exactly WHEN it became an emergency and NO, when Congress wouldn't give in to his personal obsession IS NOT an acceptable answer!
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